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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the only place the required - non-negotiably - tech exists - is in my skullcase.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think what was being contemplated was more akin to a synthetic amoeba than a mechanical sheep.
ben_vulpes: especially and in particular the underwater stuff.
gabriel_laddel: none took the time to test it out
gabriel_laddel: ^ ascii, I've mentioned this idea to 3 people - all reject it on grounds of "it can't be that easy, my school had all sorts people working on these problems and they never thought of it"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes or make more of them
asciilifeform: (yes i can buy a 4-axis arm from fujitsu, and it'll do same thing as in 1969, whoopie)
asciilifeform: until then it's makework
ben_vulpes: you still have to program the meta layer.
asciilifeform: when somebody so much as asks, i'll believe there's life in 'robotics';
mircea_popescu: which is a golden thought.
mircea_popescu: afaik the woman's idea was "hey, what if we made robots capable of altering their own geometry, that way they won't have to be pre-programmed"
asciilifeform: for the cost of a length of copper cable.
asciilifeform: y'know, the one where you can have arbitrary jointless articulation without precision parts, lubrication, or freely moving parts at all
asciilifeform: wake me up when a roboticists asks me for the waveguide motor
mircea_popescu: mebbe look into this one ?
asciilifeform: (at the very minimum - of being a snore)
asciilifeform: i.e. if you can get printed there, you're suspect
asciilifeform: same problem as aids test meaning here, that i'm much more interested in the folks left bugling in the dark
mircea_popescu: MUCH better than the buffett out. "i leave my money to bil lgates"
asciilifeform: it has same problem as the aids test
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is not the war you grew up idolizing. it's war, which means it's going to be horrible and unpleasant for all involved.
mircea_popescu: but now that i did look, it seems clearly that the thing works.
mircea_popescu: o look daniela rus too
asciilifeform: which means that these folks weren't total islands
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the way it worked (works? i think, still exists?) is via a kind of secret wot
asciilifeform: and can it be a t-34
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when do i get to die in a tank
ben_vulpes: <decimation> what's wrong with enslaving yourself to someone better?, <asciilifeform> decimation: nothing - it's called army << do reconsider la serenissima in this light
mircea_popescu: whadda ya think ?
mircea_popescu: more than half.
asciilifeform: yes but how many respectable -after- the prize and not before
mircea_popescu: anyway, for 500k, enough respectable names there.
asciilifeform: designed to what ?
asciilifeform: all summed to zero.
asciilifeform: just that none of the folks involved, afaik, coughed up anything i'd miss if it were thermonuked
mircea_popescu: 125k a year for five years, beats thiel, but anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, what's the objection to macarthur prizes ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah merely reference to a discussion in logs a few days ago
asciilifeform: knew about the 'little problem' and said nothing when commissioning the work
asciilifeform: but he tried to convince me to participate in a sc4m4tr0n
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: is that *your* harem's burn rate?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had to refuse the client
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you didn't end up beaten as a result of this ?
asciilifeform: cribbed from public domain libs, quite unrelated to the actual project, passed off as 'new'
asciilifeform: and that the same happened again after he fired the first set and replaced entire staff ?
asciilifeform: did i ever tell the tale of how i was once about to do a little consulting for an engineering prof, and discovered that the code that implemented 'his' algo was plagiarized wholesale by his students?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> if someone sent me 100k (magically, tax-free) i'd do... what? take 3 mo. off, spend the next 9 looking for next gig ? << good grief your burn rate, man.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sets the tone, you know?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel why the fuck would he do that.
ben_vulpes: portland's a moderately kinky town.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i bet you could toss 19 out of 20 of'em for this
gabriel_laddel: He presented someone else's program as his own. They didn't check, being fuckwits, but eventually found out.
asciilifeform: i bet they're NDA'd etc. but if you turn the screws, can probably find out.
mircea_popescu: you know blondy, too ?
asciilifeform: i for one would like to know if any thiel folks have been 'fired'
gabriel_laddel: Oh, I've teh insider information
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel thgat the adults are not going ot be happy.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and blondy in black dress over there's almost hawt. << reminds me of the intro line newcomers to pdx-burningman were subjected to without fail for years, presumably if the political correctness mob hasn't gotten to them yet still are: "are you hot?"
asciilifeform: only from gabriel_laddel's summary thus far
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how do you know this, sight unseen ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a job if you gotta do xxxxx to keep'em coming
mircea_popescu: which is the better way to get a windfall anyway.
gabriel_laddel: the 'adults' are not going to be happy about you writing a program that converts all books in libgen.info + all papers you can get of school networks into a useful format via a combination of OCR and heuristic hackery
asciilifeform: if they dole it out month at a time - it's a fucking -job-
decimation: what's wrong with enslaving yourself to someone better?
mircea_popescu: da fuck are some kids gonna suffer from talking to adults ?
gabriel_laddel: it seems to me the model is to find smart, angry people, fund them and then when things go to shit, stand behind them and keep them out of trouble.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i didn't think the thiel thing could get -more- snoreworthy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kids. they'll find something to do.
asciilifeform: make something thiel-flavoured
gabriel_laddel: they dole it out a month at a time
asciilifeform: i thought that was the point
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: they don't want them to e.g., make a napster
mircea_popescu: best way to get a bright kid killed is by giving him ten bricks of benjamins.
gabriel_laddel: fuck that
gabriel_laddel: they want them to play nicely with the world
gabriel_laddel: well, in truth the Thiel fellowship doesn't even give it all away at once
mircea_popescu: ah, i a) didn't actually need the money ; b) wasn't really about the money per se anyway
gabriel_laddel: 2 years to play with Mathematics sounds wonderfully useful to me.
asciilifeform: if someone sent me 100k (magically, tax-free) i'd do... what? take 3 mo. off, spend the next 9 looking for next gig ?
asciilifeform: because it's a temporary parole, for one thing
gabriel_laddel: the neat people in the Thiel fellowship are the mathematics kids, who are sort of the odd ones out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the u.s. military technical term for this is 'self-licking icecream cone'
gabriel_laddel: most of the companies are just pathetic in practice
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel truth.
mircea_popescu: so basically they employ themselves ?
mircea_popescu: wait, there's 40 people a year right ?
mircea_popescu: "Fifty-eight organizations and startups have been founded by fellows, employing over 200 people, and creating new technologies that are being deployed around the world."
gabriel_laddel: "If we show up at the border with That We're going straight to prison!"
gabriel_laddel: I, with the devil's own smile, invite them to take pictures
mircea_popescu: "Alum and current fellows have produced more than $100 million in economic activity including investments, exits, revenue, and grants. "
gabriel_laddel: (these being from the previous generations)
mircea_popescu: and blondy in black dress over there's almost hawt.
gabriel_laddel: but yes, there are a lot of indians, which I didn't previously notice
gabriel_laddel: nah, some Chinese, Vietnamese too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are the only folks for whom there isn't already $maxint in handouts
asciilifeform: 3d 'shooter' where you had to 'pass bootcamp', dig pits, die in ten minutes of firefight dropping like potato, etc
decimation: the purpose of the game would be to 'sink' hours of the otherwise idle usg employees