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asciilifeform: we are thinking of entirely different worlds, perhaps
ben_vulpes: lol nowhere near as expensive as their payloads are valuable.
asciilifeform: and coasts are well-patrolled in the 'civilized' world.
ben_vulpes: there are the S.A. submersibles.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever find it interesting that there are wankatronic societies like the 'amateur space' thing linked earlier, but nobody (has admitted to) sending a 100% amateur-built unmanned machine across, e.g., atlantic ?
ben_vulpes: but do share your design envelope, i'm very curious what sorts of requirements you're considering that require some crazy one-shot battery.
ben_vulpes: if it needs to go that far, put an ice on it.
asciilifeform: nor is a 300km accuracy cone acceptable for most cargo other than nuke
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not everything likes travelling via icbm
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if the thing's reasonably robust, a parabolic delivery trajectory should suffice.
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gribble: The Battle of Bull Run Summary & Facts | Civilwar.org: <http://www.civilwar.org/battlefields/bullrun.html>; Bullrun: <http://bullrun.com/>; First Battle of Bull Run - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run>
asciilifeform: but just such a battery could make the difference between an unmanned flying machine that can deliver $thing between point a and b, say
ben_vulpes giving the whole armsmithing game away for some reason
asciilifeform: there are certain methods of making a battery that are not used in modern consumer types
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i actually found the 'igla' article while looking for... the battery.
thestringpuller: http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/manned-test-of-nexo-parachute-saturday-214/ << LOL "Cancelled due to bad weather"
asciilifeform: nobody is ever building any of what is pictured on that page on anything other than a fleet-of-mazeratis budget
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's either a usg-controlled semi-scam, or doomed to be suppressed
thestringpuller: enough bezzles makes them shoo tho
thestringpuller: i thought other big cost in rocket was d00ds in black suits showin' up and shuttin down the studio
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/ << what about these d00ds?
asciilifeform: (orwell's basic primer on the subject)
assbot: 12 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb
asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
ben_vulpes: not unindustrial, though.
asciilifeform: if such a thing were to exist - major problems for the owners of jet-propelled statal enforcement.
asciilifeform: against which there is no low-cost unindustrial counter.
asciilifeform: one of the strongest levers of the 20th century totalitarian mega-state is air power
BingoBoingo: Time to practice winding your own motors!
asciilifeform: that is, to be produced en masse via the traditional processes for manufactured goods
asciilifeform: the rocket, just as the modern ic, was designed by and for industrial system.
asciilifeform: similar discussion in old thread
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 18:16:06; mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm.
ben_vulpes: the *real* value though, is in the strategist given free reign to be creative.
asciilifeform: and write down for the ones who make it out alive.
asciilifeform: can still think.
ben_vulpes: those who do in these parts - aren't interested in novel strategies or applications of commodity technology
ben_vulpes: anyways, armsmithing for the next engagements is terribly interesting and entirely impossible to do from where i am.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well yes, improvements in performance and reductions in cost exercises for not even terribly alert reader.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the originals didn't even contain microprocessor.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the rocket described in the book is older than i am
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: betcha one could do considerably better - from first principles - with modern tech
ben_vulpes: i could make these things.
ben_vulpes: there is a reason i call this kind of document torture.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> very basic maths << so much so that even i did them in 'uni'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, for sake of thestringpuller and mine private conversation, have you ever bedded a north korean woman?
assbot: F.MPIF February 2015 trading statement - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZbhmt )
mircea_popescu: i eat them.
asciilifeform: 'why spent time with roaches ?'
assbot: And then she went splat! on the asphalt. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZ8Cck )
mircea_popescu: not so that random redditard can buy his porn for 0 fees.
mircea_popescu: well... this is why : so this sort of shit stops washing.
mircea_popescu: so some derp on reddit wanted to know "why do we even want to kill banks then" in the blockchain subversion debate.
asciilifeform: 'and then the hammer hit the firing pin, and the...'
asciilifeform: that'd be like coverage of an assassination describing the exact mechanical workings of the rifle
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because that's SOP !
mircea_popescu: heck, the B round's not even mentioned AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice how none of the coverage included a "this C round utterly dilutes naive investors from the previous B and A rounds"
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: we also know undead are more "effective" when there are lots of them.
asciilifeform: consider the 'silent circle' and 'redphone' crap by the subverted zimmerman
asciilifeform: if there's one thing we 'know' about the undead, it is that they can walk indefinitely until physically scattered
thestringpuller: there is no endgame for them launching a foundation.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the only "people involved" by now are horowitz and the us fed.
thestringpuller: what if they just let foundation die and then try again?
mircea_popescu: kinda win-win situation, if they try to rescue the scam foundation they will fail, if they don't you know we scare them.
mircea_popescu: im moreover curious if they're going to actually try and rescue the scam foundation or just make a new and "real" one.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i have nfi why you imagine the userbase is important << I don't but the inevitabilibty of such an endeavor (i.e. http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-political-crisis-may-impoverish-homeland-security-department/#comment-11399), doesn't seem like a good thing
mircea_popescu: somewhat mirroring the "mpex is worth a billion dollars ?!?!?!" thing.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the "usg mpex" comment was chiefly because there's no conceivable need a webwallet operator could have for even 1mn.
mircea_popescu: seems improbable even that many actually sent the ridoinculous "kyc" paperwork.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally that must be a typo, 1.9mn users 2.1mn accounts. more like 190k.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why you imagine the userbase is important in this discussion.
thestringpuller: although MPex has it's idiots (see: http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/) don't think it's near the same percentages as coinbase users
thestringpuller: this doesn't mean the customer base is anything other than homo redditicus
mircea_popescu: well, horowitz and the rest of the policy vehicles are on board, so.
thestringpuller: although coinbase is a part of the waterfall only derps utilize it.
cazalla: i thought it was a cardinal sin for it to be called anything other than MPEx? :P
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: they're trying for a usg mpex. << More like Reddit MPEX
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah i think it was bb that said we'd be lucky to turn 1% of it into reg readers
mircea_popescu: basically, they're trying for a usg mpex. which... hey, fine, have fun trying.
mircea_popescu: (and all this neglecting their previous round, http://recode.net/2014/11/14/bitcoin-company-coinbase-raising-new-investment-at-400-million-valuation/ )
jurov: oh and thx for shedding the light on d.cbse
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1z30vvN )
mircea_popescu: obv this is just napkin calcs, a definitive version'd come out once that unicorn stomps its foot.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the utter chilling of d.* trade past while shows kinda plainly where that ship's going, imo.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, if coinbase opens for a mkt cap of 250mn in two years (accounting for inflation, basically)...
mircea_popescu: provided coinbase goes to 5bn while btc stays under
asciilifeform: (yes, mircea_popescu would probably point out that it is not a cannon, but a heavy machine-gun.)
mircea_popescu: jurov as an example, if someone bought 100 shares on mpex today at the 0.239 price paying 23.9 btc, he would control (if memory serves) 1% of the 1% f.derp stake in the origial coinbase. that'd entitle him to 0.01% of the value of 50/350 parts in the coinbase ipo, which would come to
asciilifeform: similar textbook for a cannon: http://portal.tpu.ru/files/departments/publish/VK_Machinko.pdf
asciilifeform: published by tomsk politechnik university press
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll add that the document is in fact a textbook for detachment commanders operating the rocket
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: some of the more interesting stuff is in the text - e.g., description of the molten-electrolyte battery; the sensor cooling system; the guidance loop per se
mircea_popescu: at that point, the coinbase listing has actually been a net loss for d.cbse holders.
mircea_popescu: suppose at the same time btc/usd trades for 18`560
mircea_popescu: suppose in 2020 coinbase lists on nyse, 100mn shares, and they go for 50 bux each. that's 5 bn.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the algorithmics are not described in great detail, but the waveforms representing the proportional-control mechanism are shown, and at this point the 'multicopter' folks have rederived all of it and then some
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gorgeous diagrams << that thing contains perhaps 80% of the info required to construct the rocket.