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adlai: being able
to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step
towards using
the laptop conveniently in most any position
decimation: some folks
try
to make a 'ghetto steno' using a keyboard
decimation: ah well
then maybe it's straightforward
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but
try
to hook it up
to your computer
to run emacs :)
adlai: anybody
tried one-handed dvorak?
decimation: the story I got was
that
those devices are priced at bezzle rates
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, I looked into
them, but
they seem useless for programming
trinque: there are
types of code mess
that at least seem like
they'd "look like shit" with
the right goggles
decimation: asciilifeform: have you followed
the 'movement'
to re-create stenotypes?
trinque: use
the visual part
to
traverse, not
to write code
trinque: adlai: what I'd like
to see is
the structure of
the program in some way
trinque: this being describing some set of actions, facts, whatever, for something else
to learn and/or carry out
adlai: typing [+slime-fuzzy] is likely
to remain faster
than pretty much any other muscle-based input, just due
to evolutionary accident... but
the quest here, as i see it, is for a drastically more convenient interface, which sacrifices less
than
the current ones (which aren't even
that convenient)
trinque: language is precisely for
this
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 05:30:33; decimation:
https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like
to be able
to make use of
the rather-hefty chunk of my brain
that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way
that is difficult
to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual
tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)"
trinque: at least without a huge slowdown compared
to
typing it out
decimation: adlai: somehow customizing
the input 'typepad algorithm' is a 'missing option' on all smart devices
trinque: really don't
think it can be made
to do more
than
toy interfaces for end users
trinque: adlai: I worked on a visual programming bullshit
thing for a year and a half as a job
adlai: when your likely input set is an entire language, even a crappy markov chain leaves
tons of noise
decimation: asciilifeform: especially considering it had like 1% of
the modern smartphone's cpu
adlai: as i said, gesture
typing needs
to be boosted with program-awareness
decimation: I liked 'typing' gestures into my palm pilot, but somehow
that
technology disappeared
adlai: why should you
trust an internal part of
the brain any more
than
the grey stuff? it's not like you have [consciously available] stimuli re: what's happening
there
decimation: adlai: gesture
typing sucks, at least as implemented on 'modern' phones
BingoBoingo: If
the responsible part of
the brain
touches
the skull, my general rule is
to doubt it
decimation: it would be good if you could only move your
tongue
though
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah roughly
that but with grammar rules
decimation: ^ above link demonstrates 'alternate
text entry'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
That high up on
the brain,
thing could lie. Gotta
trust
the lizard brain and little higher
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> clutters visual cortex << Wait you
trust
that api???
adlai: ideally, something where i could hold
the device with one hand, and do all
tasks with a single finger... you can enter
text quite fast using gesture
typing, and a program-aware editor can do much much much better
than
the current keyboards because namespacing greatly narrows
the likely lexemes
trinque: asciilifeform: cooler
to look at for 5min I'd guess
adlai: decimation:
touchscreen ≠ glove-activated vaporware
trinque: eventually
though you need
to
type words...
trinque: you'd sort of crawl along
the grammar
trinque: have never
tried
to make it
trinque: adlai: I've got a sort of AST making circle menu
thing in my head
decimation: adlai:
try waving your hands around like
tom cruise in 'minority report' for about 10 minutes and see how you feel
adlai: like
the romans ate?
adlai has yet
to see a good human-touchscreen api for reading and editing source code... but assuming one existed, a 'tablet' would be quite convenient for bedcode
BingoBoingo: At some point faced with
the
twin maws of conspiracy and poisons one must choose discomfort of some measure.
decimation: yeah, but it seems a chorded entry system of some kind would allow you
to lay on your back
decimation: asciilifeform: what about your chorded keyboard device? does
that feel comfortable while lying down
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you did, imagine
the warfain you'd need
adlai: though it irks me
to no end
that
the song is not in fact seven minutes long
BingoBoingo: less
than 3 years later I enountered mandrake linux more
than 10 years more recent and was disappoint
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My fascination stems from it being
the first vagually *nixy
thing I encountered.
BingoBoingo: decimation: If you get
the chance A/Ux is a pretty fun unix
decimation: yeah
the suspend mode
thing is really annoying
adlai: s2ram is just a fancy way of saying "leave
the dustoff at
the bureau, all you need is quick hands and an evidence bag"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Honestly I'd prolly
try
to save it if I made it. Hard
to find anything with built in 13w3
decimation: it would be more 'comfortable'
to use one of
those
tadpole laptops
adlai: random retardation of
the day:
trade history has no indication of whether an action
took place on margin or was an asset exchange
decimation: but it was pointless because of
the driver brokenness
decimation: I did manage
to hack
the efi bootloader into 'dual booting' gentoo once
decimation: even macports is failing
to keep updates going, because
they were 32-bit
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I have a couple of early intel macbooks
that have been abandoned
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Are
there any open spaces?
the cheapest .22 LR rounds
tend
to be more satisfying. If you have a camera
that can capture slow motion, especially avoid
the copper plate ones
trinque: decimation: not
that I run OS X, but I
think
that justifies
torrenting anything prior
decimation: try 'upgrading' a 10.6 mac
to 10.7 and not 10.8, for instance
decimation: asciilifeform:
the devilish
thing about apple 'upgrades' is
that
the old versions no longer exist
BingoBoingo: But still eventually CRT phosphors become worn and mercy needs
to be applied
BingoBoingo: Born of
the same reasoning
that leads one
to jack off inside a pussy in a .gif