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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is a reason why i am building own conveyor
cazalla: "I will need the support of everyone while inside, and I would appreciate it so much. Even $10 would go along way. There are a few days to send me money."
assbot: So, I’m going to prison. Reflections from Bitcoins’ first felon | Charlie Shrem ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9S3sT )
cazalla: poor shrem, 2 years ago paraded around as the bitcoin millionaire kid, but today relegated to begging for $10 so as not to eat the prison food http://charlieshrem.com/so-im-going-to-prison/
ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf ☟︎
asciilifeform: and for all i know the rest of the board also has no correspondence whatsoever to marked values
asciilifeform: i have no idea where they got them
decimation: so you suspect that they bought shitass chinese parts?
ben_vulpes: during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs
asciilifeform: decimation: again, that was NOT what happened
decimation: yeah, failing to insert proper part in the tube is electronics manufacturing 101 error
asciilifeform: fella even reserve-engineered the controle console, wrote own proggy, would have thrown in the source
asciilifeform: but no place to put it
asciilifeform: i even had opportunity to buy one
asciilifeform: some of the german machines from the '80s, when computer sucked, did this
asciilifeform: decimation: interestingly, in the old days, they were brass, and shaped in such a way that -did- test
ben_vulpes: the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education.
asciilifeform: decimation: rubber suction cup, typically
decimation: I'm surprised the pick n place doesn't auto test passives actually
asciilifeform: they do not need to know what it does!
asciilifeform: testing that they are actually attached - harder, but also doable
asciilifeform: testing that parts have their marked values - also trivial
asciilifeform: testing that board corresponds to given gerber mask is trivial
asciilifeform: that's the idea here
danielpbarron: i guess there's an obvious reason as to why they can't do whatever tests you are doing before they ship the things
asciilifeform: it isn't even about the money as such
ben_vulpes: and their tacos are clocking in at .75 per, to extend the metaphor.
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah except in this case, the taco stand bills itself as a custom taco stand
ben_vulpes: "look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out.
ben_vulpes: it's like i tell the boys
ben_vulpes: you didn't need to burn that current anyways
asciilifeform: this was not part of the deal
asciilifeform: i have not even bothered to look at the rest of it
asciilifeform: and that is -only one- problem
decimation: lol they put 200 on the 470k pads?
thestringpuller: lol those poor chinese workers. dunno if asciilifeform is as benevolent of slave driver as mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Prolly time to get some Chinese sweatshop workers into your shed with that H1B visa deal
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i meant. you know "come to an understanding" if fuck ups occur?
asciilifeform: and that's just one piece.
asciilifeform: though they have the correct printing
asciilifeform: so on first glance, their 470k resistors (0805 size) are actually 200k
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: can't you make them an offer they can't refuse?
asciilifeform: and the game can be kept going as long as they like
asciilifeform: and how the fuck do i prove whose fault
decimation: presumably they will make you two more if it's their fault
asciilifeform: it's exactly like the apple thread
asciilifeform: me, that is
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'll tell you how
BingoBoingo: How do these fuckers expect to do a business off of 1-off boards when a two board order offers two dead boards
asciilifeform was gonna order mainboard from these folks, to have in time for C III
BingoBoingo: Maybe the wrong shade of blue for the PCB is problematic?
asciilifeform: but conclusive test would involve desoldering them
asciilifeform: about to manually probe the components under microscope
asciilifeform: again, not in any way detectable to naked eye
decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec ☟︎
decimation: sounds like a bad board to me
decimation: can't imagine it's that complex
asciilifeform: decimation: these are ordinary rngs, as seen at conference II
decimation: asciilifeform: did you order these with all parts populated?
mircea_popescu: incompetence is the parsimonious explanation
asciilifeform is not inclined to believe that it was accidental
asciilifeform: took'em almost a month, too
decimation: asciilifeform: they aren't gonna last very long if they can't deliver working circuits
asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation. gave those idiots the simplest circuit in the world, as test
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 02:27:20; decimation: herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2
mircea_popescu: it stands with the finest italian handmade gelateria in the same relation as this later beast stands with budweiser
mircea_popescu: btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha i'll bring ice cream to confIII
mircea_popescu: i suspect there are more experienced aerospace minds here. how about you do it instead ?
mircea_popescu: i'm half tempted to do a "basics of satellites" like the hollywood and the corn one. however...
asciilifeform: not a single one of the rng submodules works.
decimation: yeah $1 mn sounds too cheap
decimation: but it also means that the sats won't stay up very long
decimation: also, it's not quite as big an issue since they are below the van allen belts
Adlai: nah the blockchain will be in storj
decimation: the attitude in the sillycon valley space complex these days is that you can just launch some more sats
mircea_popescu: less than good tuna ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: you're already talking half a ton of gear here. i didn't hear of aerospace material going for $200 / kg yet.
mircea_popescu: simpler problem : leaving aside the "Ever and ever" bs, even if you plan for 10 years you need tbs of hdd and gbs of ram. in space.
decimation: what are they gonna use for the uplink/downlink frequencies? access equipment?
decimation: everyone and his mom in sillycon valley wants to loft a satellite constellation
asciilifeform: i haven't the faintest clue
mod6: asciilifeform: this is the device you ordered?
mod6: jurov: still doesn't seem to be working.
mircea_popescu: the damned thing had cards. in 1801
mircea_popescu: btw re computers and looms thread a coupla months back, i somehow forgot to mention the jacquard loom specifically.
asciilifeform: PeterL: dimensional tolerances
decimation: right, but how could it possibly be economical to load two parts into a pick n' place
PeterL: asciilifeform:the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' << how about caseless rounds?
asciilifeform: decimation: there's exactly 1 through-hole part
decimation: someone has to load your custom parts
asciilifeform: claims the former
decimation: I wonder if they have heavy automation or cheap labor?
asciilifeform: it is very easy to find manufacturing service. but mostly impossible to find one that does onesies economically
decimation: with the strong dollar
decimation: actually now is the time to find prototyping services in europe or ru
decimation: hehe true
asciilifeform: so won't say for certain that 'worked out' yet.
asciilifeform: actually i've yet to plug them in...