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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice how all of the surviving sage works are by theorists.
mircea_popescu: hegel was the same way, in the cluj universitarian library. supposedly the european expert in hegel resided there.
asciilifeform: compulsively pulled on one, they all came out
asciilifeform: the very same. can go to uni library, and they're stuck together. like the volumes of lenin (true story. i unstuck'em)
mircea_popescu: "the thick book nobody ever borrows", generally.
mircea_popescu: they're, contrary to what the "consumers have come to expect" like to pretend, very easy to find
asciilifeform: mccarthy also understood the unfolding disaster
mircea_popescu: i generally manage to identify the actual experts in fields.
mircea_popescu: so he did. i recall reading it and not understanding what he meant at the time
asciilifeform: (look it up, it was a try.)
asciilifeform: knuth tried to convince folks to 'literate programming'
mircea_popescu: in the manner people write fucking books. or at least did, before the great usian likbez pogrom
mircea_popescu: really, find me a piece of code written with a clear contrite consideration of "people will read this tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: this is no argument in this discussion, tho. historically there has been great profit in all sorts of dumb shit.
decimation: re: ~must code~ : historically there has been great profit in it, working or no
mircea_popescu: i don't code. principally because i can't be arsed to do a good job of it.
mircea_popescu: the idea that you ~must~ code, whether it works or not, no matter what, is scandalous.
mircea_popescu: srsly ? when, this.
mircea_popescu: this is like "originbally, the bridge standing at all was impressive"
asciilifeform: because originally the thing working at all - was impressive.
asciilifeform: it is important to understand why apparently-intelligent folks ate up the crap
asciilifeform: from this boojum came the other sorrows.
asciilifeform: try to appreciate the difficulty, historically, of getting the bloody things to work at all.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
decimation: every hardware vendor succumbs to the temptation to pwn its audience
decimation: mircea_popescu: just like (nearly?) everyone who opens a bitcoin exchange succumbs to the temptation to run 'fractional'
mircea_popescu: the casual perusal of openssl that earlier article triggered has crystallized this point in my head.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's many fields outside of perhaps psychology where "practitioners" have for so long acted with such intense disregard for posterity.
asciilifeform: but in practice, gadget that takes years to synch, is not very useful
mircea_popescu: anyway, just to add : the people who have come before us have embedded into the very history of computing such burning, enraged contempt for us, that really damnatio is too good a fate.
asciilifeform: decimation: so long as it keeps up with blocks, theoretically
asciilifeform: there is no avoiding the final solution to it
asciilifeform: except that meanwhile i'm relying on, apparently, the profoundly retarded, to assemble b04rdz
mircea_popescu: then this discussion will suffice :D
asciilifeform: i have all of this planned out.
decimation: I can see why you would want to ensure the security of your drive, but that's a seperate matter
mircea_popescu: i want, in this order a) a fully b-a computing stack for bitcoin ; b) utter disrespect for antecessors made manifest.
decimation: I guess I don't see much point, considering that even having a sata bus implies you have a computer
asciilifeform: gnarly though
decimation: it would be hilarious to do so
decimation: so you want to talk to the db over the sata bus?
mircea_popescu: all this anti-tero stuff helping the real teros.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trivial given that fr meade did all the heavy lifting and helpfully 'published' result
mircea_popescu: right. in which line : since all hdds come reflashable anyway, how hard would it be to rape a ssd like we're raping the pogo, i wonder ?
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 17:08:55; asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.)
mircea_popescu: make, perhaps, the storage plan a tree
decimation: http://www.spaceweatherradio.com/ < listen to live meteor 'pings' (distant transmitter made audible via meteor trails)
asciilifeform: well yes, that was the ancient thread
mircea_popescu: as in, trivially : make the sectors the size of a block
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i had in mind tho, was more specficially "for blockchain only".
asciilifeform: normally when storage is scarce (or data set is huge) one cannot afford the waste of 'file system' that is not the same as the organization for the set
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 04:31:31; trinque: this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051328 << i entertain no illusion of having invented it, that's fo sho. ☝︎
decimation: ^ same reason you can bounce radio waves off of metor trails through the upper atmosphere
decimation: aye, breakdown voltage greatly reduced once there is plasma
asciilifeform: good illustration for student is the toy 'jacob's ladder'
mircea_popescu: course that's slightly different a measure
decimation: http://chemistry.about.com/od/moleculescompounds/a/Table-Of-Electrical-Resistivity-And-Conductivity.htm < 1.3e16 to 3.3e16 ohms per meter
mircea_popescu: since we're doing rare shit : chick taking it in the ass http://40.media.tumblr.com/3a485bfec08126b605d4b84253043305/tumblr_n8mvzyCxQC1td0p2ho1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'danger, 1,000,000 ohms!' << i forget, what's the resistence of 1mm of air ? like 1mn was it ?
assbot: Russian spy laughing through his execution in Finland, 1942 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRlUOR )
ben_vulpes: righto, let's stroll through the cemetary
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm about to pass out mang
ben_vulpes: optimal for me is always going to be somewhere around "gives me leverage on data"
ben_vulpes: i really have no interest in optimized for min storage or max whatever the fuck
asciilifeform: (rather than db as used in your traditional $business)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for some reason i thought you were still speaking re: the blockchain!
ben_vulpes: <decimation> ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree << i want to say "select * from outputs where output.spent_transaction is null;"
asciilifeform: for folks who liked the 'twirl/twinkle' thread
trinque: or more importantly, whether you know those questions exhaustively in advance
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: applying software to business problems.
decimation: ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: should i be concerned with these pure performance issues?
ben_vulpes: <decimation> but in reality you want structure << this
asciilifeform: and if ssd, will get impedance mismatches during write if your db isn't tuned to match the cache
trinque: decimation: I don't believe that unstr... yeah that
decimation: they are perfectly fine if you really just want to store gobs of unstructured shit
asciilifeform: except that if said disk is mechanical, you will get impedance mismatches
asciilifeform: in principle any existing db gizmo that can be coaxed into using a single file for the store, is quite ready to be planted down on raw disk
trinque: and invariably worse than what came before
trinque: decimation: as those monstrosities "improve" they tend towards what rdbms has done forever
ben_vulpes: i'll have no truck with unstructured languages that don't support querying
trinque: nosql is the same hipsterism that gets us nodejs
trinque: decimation: fuck that shit
decimation: ben_vulpes: the new hotness these days is some kind of nosql running on a cluster
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: feel free to ignore.
ben_vulpes: particularly then.
decimation: it's probably better than oracle my sql
asciilifeform: with eons of crud to wade through
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your objections to things suffer from the "boy who cried wolf" problem
asciilifeform has no plans to stop
trinque: and it doesn't slow down your queries, as the big shit is stored elsewhere of course and made reference to
trinque: you totally can
trinque: say you want to put your big-ass mkv movies in postgres along with their metadata
trinque: ben_vulpes: these guys http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/largeobjects.html
trinque: heh, and wife-killer tainted tech too!
ben_vulpes: trinque: 'large objects' << no, tell me more
ben_vulpes: trinque: terrorist teknologees!
trinque: this fs/db hybrid has been talked about for a damn long time ☟︎
trinque: I think (but am less familiar with) reiserfs has the same sort of metadata querying