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mircea_popescu: "The existing NetBSD Foundation must be disbanded, and replaced with an organization that fulfills its original purpose: to merely handle administrative issues"
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Assbot has its own way to authenticate use !register
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mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SbHmZuRPU << sometimes the HORSE matador.
mircea_popescu: sasl is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: ^ do that.
mircea_popescu: "As one of the 4 originators of NetBSD, I am in a fairly unique position."
brendafdez: nice i can haz voice. I was trying to use SASL authentication on hexchat, but for some reaosn it doesn't seem to work. Gave up, is very difficult, this irc stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_tHmL2Oug
assbot: The advance warning for this OpenSSL bug can only mean one thing. There's going to be a dope logo for this bug on Thursday.
BingoBoingo: Not they, he
danielpbarron: basically saying they need to be more like the guy they kicked out
BingoBoingo: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html << lol "Speaking of which, there must be negative feedback to discourage people from breaking stuff. This has been a continual problem with certain "developers" for more than a decade."
decimation: asciilifeform: re: what to do about hardware < sell diy "mr. fuser" kit at costco?
danielpbarron: "She was pretty drunk so this speech was littered with lovely curse words and slurring." << did this interview take place in b-a or something?
asciilifeform: at least, afaik they're the readiest fit for the role.
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mircea_popescu: shoulda frowned her in time.
mircea_popescu: anyone who has this problem is an idiot of the same breath as the guy with a bitchy wife.
asciilifeform: imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.'
asciilifeform: 'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet
asciilifeform: iirc it was short & simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either'
mircea_popescu never read all this snowden derivative corpus
gribble: Eben Moglen: "Snowden and the Future" | David Bollier: <http://bollier.org/blog/eben-moglen-snowden-and-future>; Eben Moglen: <http://moglen.law.columbia.edu/resume.html>; Legal Fictions and Common Law Legal Theory - Eben Moglen: <http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/fict.html>
asciilifeform: one doesn't have to believe in god to discuss religion
asciilifeform: but that it went on the paper
mircea_popescu: ah, that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was referring to the post-soviet laugh where you now 'have to' (lol) pay to see the filmz i grew up with, etc
asciilifeform: attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet.
asciilifeform: decimation: no, merely that everything once published under gpl is still distributable, no one has yet come up with, in usa, with 'we retroactively own this'
mircea_popescu: they have to be forced to come to terms and accept the plain fact that if they don't publish, they ARE lying.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, but still, as a point of procedure, muppet should be trained to back himself up. "here's what i say it was then, and here's where i published it then"
decimation: asciilifeform: are you saying that commercial code isn't riddled with 'gpled snippets'?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason gpl stays gpl atm is because it's not worth much. otherwise... it didn't happen in the cccp only. it happened in the us, and everywhere else.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ? << In Theo's Bundle Theo blames Charles Hannum explicitly near the end. Demetrio in my reading of the dump seems to be an aggrevating factor.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project << actually... it's all in the bias. irrespective of what the words may say, these were govenrment men. of course they saw no problem giving their thing to governmenty-something. their only actual problem would have been "terrorists", a
decimation: also, stallman hasn't done much about the 'hardware problem'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Even today, blablabladerp.' << wat? << i'll tell you what. "mommy, i got a 7 in algebra, but you should have seen all the other kids at retard school, they got 3 and 4!"
asciilifeform: ^ from the pl national anthem
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ?
decimation: in the sense that the major 'open source' projects are switching to non-gpl licenses - or are trying to be devoured by the same
decimation: I agree with that, but it also seems that the rms 'project' is largely failing
asciilifeform: critics of rms are always very quick to remember the snot-eating or fits of frothing madness, or whateverthephuck but rarely address the actual arguments in anything like a direct and intelligent way
asciilifeform: and the enemy is approximately who rms tells us it is.
decimation: it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project
asciilifeform: if there is any way of preventing it
asciilifeform: ^ fact is, gpl has perfectly valid reasons for existing; most of which resolve to folks not wishing to give aid and comfort to the enemy
asciilifeform: rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.'
asciilifeform: 'Most of us had a very strong distaste for the so-called "virus" clause in the GPL, and this is the primary reason we did not adopt it. There was also some thinking that CSRG (Berkeley) and the X Consortium had been successful with leaner, looser licenses, so why bother. In retrospect I think this was naive; if you look at the history, you'll see that neither CSRG nor the X Consortium were really successful in getting third pa
decimation: no, more of "I let these people 'work' on my project and suddenly they were controlling it"
asciilifeform: not much to do with doctrine, then.
decimation: heh I think so
asciilifeform: was that when the pickpockets of buenos aires got his mips laptop ?
asciilifeform: in fact, unless you're approximately in the same class of crackpot weirdo as rms - that devil is sitting right next to you in invisible chair.
asciilifeform: he walks around, you can go and touch him at your phriendly local electronics shop.
asciilifeform: the devil that rms preaches about - exists.
asciilifeform never really saw the 'rage' angle re: rms
decimation: Foundation and Wasabi press release. They were actually upset at me for preempting this." << lol this guy is no linus
decimation: "In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD
gribble: Achievements - Robert Hooke Society: <http://www.roberthooke.org/page41.html>; Download Sample pages 1 PDF - Springer: <http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/9781461408598-c1.pdf?SGWID=0-0-45-1276559-p174131959>; INNER ELASTICITY and the HIGHER-ORDER ELASTICITY of some ...: <http://newton.ex.ac.uk/research/qsystems/jones/thesis/Cousins/c_cousins.pdf>
asciilifeform: 'deedbot' concept is older than might appear
asciilifeform: ^ is above still true ?!
asciilifeform: 'Even today, most software distributions on the net (and this includes NetBSD) are not signed.' << wat?
danielpbarron: http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html < pre-deedbot history was kept in the form of email dumps
asciilifeform: (proposes 'ROL' to augment the customary 'lol' as term of art)
mircea_popescu: or fail that, to anything ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron he can of course point to deedbot deeds proving these claims,
asciilifeform: so bad that good (TM)
danielpbarron: Since it came up in the /. thread, though, I would like to make one correction. It's widely claimed that I'm "the one" who ejected Theo from the NetBSD community. That is false. At that time in NetBSD's history, Chris G. Demetriou was playing the role of alpha male, and I wasn't even given a choice. I was certain it was going to bite us in the ass. I think the question for historians is not whether it did bite us in the ass,
danielpbarron: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/09/14/netbsd_future.html << more history about the BSDs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '"Give it here." then in the phone "It's Francine A. Hayek. H-A-Y-E-K." and then after a pregnant pause, "No, just a name coincidence."' << m3g4l0l!!
decimation: 'arrow to the throat - it's the only language the savages understand'
decimation: also I would note that this happened at a time when the intellectual fashion was to scorn any project designed to civilize the 'other'
decimation: actually the elites were racist as fuck, and were quite willing to use the underclass as a weapon against the kulaks while they built imaginary 'barriers' around their homes
asciilifeform: and meanwhile escalating ethn0w4rz to keep things interesting
mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote about it. elite me lived in the same bus as some alabamian black kids, to no detriment of either of us, au contraire.
decimation: charles murray has written about how the 'elites' and common folk lived in the same neighborhoods together
mircea_popescu: why wasn't the buffallo a "public company" in 1830 ?
mircea_popescu: nah. that's natural, and welcome - capitalism rebuidling itself.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I think it is correlated with the mass looting of public companies that became fashionable in the late 70's/early 80's
decimation: the rhetoric in the us tends toward "a rising tide lifts all boats" but the more apparent reality is to squash the up-and-coming - to prevent competition from above and to 'enhance equality' from below
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not sure about that. it seems to me that the us is all about everyone trying to keep everyone else from doing exactly that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd ask how you know this, but i'll let it slide :D
ben_vulpes: if not mr y, then surely lizard hitler
mircea_popescu: i think you drastically overestimate the well being of others. but at least it's consistent with the meta nsa/lizard hitler outlook.
asciilifeform has very few items that rise to the level of 'knowledge' about mr y, mainly thirdhand rumour
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?
asciilifeform: the kind that is a couplea-zeroes apart
asciilifeform: except that mr y is a much more talented whore than yours truly
asciilifeform: exactly the same
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he could say the same about you.
mircea_popescu: and out and out nudity is more of a terrorism&money laundering trope than anything
mircea_popescu: well... you gotta put something up, you know ? gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume
asciilifeform: if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation
mircea_popescu: "I enjoy speaking at financial firms on human rationality." << there, your mystery's solved. he's doing the entertainment for vc teambuilding events.
decimation: asciilifeform: she said they would have long conversations where they were apparently mistaken about this
asciilifeform: (no one remotely connected with the filing of an american patent is under any doubt whatsoever regarding expiration thereof)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm tryin' to follow!
decimation: re: "intelle;ctual property" < I spoke with a patent examiner once, she said that she often was 'paid a visit' by pharma/medical people who were under the mistaken impression that their devices were still under patent
asciilifeform again not sure of the term of art
asciilifeform: sex he doesn't have to go shopping for