asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: apparently , that asciilifeform touched'em

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants them at his house to use as boat anchor -- oughta specify this. they dun do much good here on desk.

asciilifeform: well if 1, it's a 1u subscription, if 2 -- 2u, so forth

asciilifeform: i will let him speak re exact time.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is making a delivery run : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783930 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: transport has been arranged. what remains is 1) mircea_popescu wants'em in ? if so, how many (1,2,3?) 2) what type of disks he wants in #2 and #3 ( also remains option to outfit with disks at later time, after installation )

asciilifeform: oh while mircea_popescu is tuned in: bisp ( of which asciilifeform is 50% in ) awaits instructions re disposition of the 3 mircea_popescu boxen

asciilifeform: e.g. -10 i hate his face

asciilifeform: it's entirely fine afaik to negrate honest people

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: negrate, whatchawaiting for ?

asciilifeform: nor he -- i, 'go and...'

asciilifeform: i do not order mod6 , 'go and make such a test', no.

asciilifeform: sorta like asciilifeform's spending time making no sort of wage, writing the proggy to begin with , neh

asciilifeform: not earth-shaking experiment, no.

asciilifeform: mod6 tried his hand at 'tester of whether ffa really does constanttime modexp'; asciilifeform comments on 1 set of output. is all.

asciilifeform: i'm putting in both variants of mul, selectably.

asciilifeform: it is not in fact essential to find the answer ~now~.

asciilifeform: i.e. leaking key.

asciilifeform: well it's worth the diff b/w actual constanttime and... not

asciilifeform: currently the 2 known inhabitants of this list are ppc and arm7

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to find which chips one is condemned to use egyptian innerloop MUL-substitute on.

asciilifeform: but yes this calls for a proper test, with rdtsc, then buncha MUL, then rdtsc again

asciilifeform: otoh i could also be observing noise.

asciilifeform: mod6: i will share my current hypothesis : all current intels have MUL leakage ☟︎

asciilifeform: this is also ok. just be sure to write down, which iron.

asciilifeform: it's ok to build on one machine and run -- on other. static .

asciilifeform: well if it's a multicore, naturally won't saturate, proggy is singlethreaded

asciilifeform: ideally would want also not merely 'all 0' and 'all 1' but rng, and then to plot time vs hammingweight, and look for correlation

asciilifeform: ( after errything else, that is, is done to death )

asciilifeform: this prolly calls for a proper test with rdtsc. but i'm saving this for 'dessert'

asciilifeform: mod6: start however by moving the two for-loops around in your tester

asciilifeform: mod6: well ideally somehow to swap the inodes. still thinking how one might arrange such a thing.

asciilifeform: *6th decimal

asciilifeform: mod6: fwiw i have found no consistent diff, to the 6th ( beyond that, the timer is useless ) on opteron

asciilifeform: mod6: and it would stand to be repeated with the files swapped ( to remove effect of, e.g., just where the given sample lives on disk physically )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784178 << this is veeeery interesting and i'd like to know what iron ☝︎

asciilifeform: oh hey it's mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mod6: neat

asciilifeform: then nfi

asciilifeform: hm this could be problem, possibly yer clothes look foreign, BingoBoingo , need local rags

asciilifeform: ty lobbes

asciilifeform: !Qlater tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything

asciilifeform: grr

asciilifeform: bot dead ?

asciilifeform: um

asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything

asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo

asciilifeform: ( hanging chads were the feature of 2000 election )

asciilifeform: also prolly oughtta <s>"hanging chads"</s>e-ballot

asciilifeform: otherwise ok

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: *in place of* meant to be bold script

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mKCeD/?raw=true

asciilifeform: complete with Framedragger's gurl, 'Manning’s friend Isis Lovecruft, a cryptographer and Tor developer, as well as a WikiLeaks critic' etc

asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, not only is zoolag unfailingly in sync, but today had personal record broken, 31 peers.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of shitware, https://archive.is/NPY51 >> irssi: 'Use after free when server is disconnected during netsplits', 'Use after free when SASL messages are received in unexpected order', 'Null pointer dereference when an "empty" nick has been observed by Irssi', a few others in same spirit

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: shinohai: what was the challenge then ? this was a box that came with an evil gcc originally ?

asciilifeform: shinohai: this was a musltronic gcc or which

asciilifeform: oh congrats shinohai

asciilifeform: ( as painted 'table's)

asciilifeform: relatedly i burned much time on graphics-generators but in the end threw all out, ended up writing ch10's physical diagrams in ordinary htm

asciilifeform: think back to the 'commonlisp vs scheme' wars.

asciilifeform: ( but trick is, simple ~when seen as a whole~, rather than 'html-simple' where the building block is simply very dumb and to do anything even slightly complicated on it, requires herculean effort )

asciilifeform: whatever else is done -- simple protocols are best.

asciilifeform: ( there was an old mp thread tho, about this, where he convincingly argued that only live people matter in re ratings )

asciilifeform: well the friends who still live.

asciilifeform: nick is clothes worn by a key.

asciilifeform: it seems to me to be The Right Thing

asciilifeform: ( i.e. the pov that nick is merely a convenient method of referring to a key . )

asciilifeform: trinque: consider one possible cut of the knot : people to rate moduli, not nicks

asciilifeform: i for one intend to retire the modulus i made on kochian prng.

asciilifeform: trinque: imho it would be reasonable for you to charge something, for the labour of modulus swap

asciilifeform: no fewer than 3 times submitted 'updated' gpg pub with new date ( finally got tired of this, put in a null date )

asciilifeform: TomServo: i still have same modulus as when first tuned in

asciilifeform: fwiw i never felt any urge to change nick. it is short enuff and if someone laughs at it it does me no harm. i sign my posts with human name fwiw.

asciilifeform: a number of folx changed handles, it doesn't break anything

asciilifeform: aa neat

asciilifeform: dare i to ask, where'ya moving to, jurov_moving , and from where ?

asciilifeform: !!up jurov_moving

asciilifeform: and additionally if he wants FGs in the 2, how many in each ( the max that fits comfortably is 2 ) , and they must then be subtracted from the inventory.

asciilifeform: 1 (dulap) disked; other 2 want disks ( can be filled within 2-3 days after mp writes in re what he wants in'em )

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this 1 slot, this is after 2 (of 3 queued) snsa crates ?

asciilifeform: '...institutionalized money laundering as a pillar of the bank’s business practices. Illicit financial activity at the bank includes transactions for parties connected to UN-designated entities, some of which are involved in North Korea...' etc etc

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/jpIIm << possible qntra material. usg excommunicates-from-usd 2nd largest bank of latvia for disobedience

asciilifeform: at any rate this is an easy patch if somebody finds a reason to patch it.

asciilifeform: similarly a heathen could get himself malleused and notice that both 'separate' nodes simultaneously disconnect him

asciilifeform: ( i didn't bother to. but eventually would notice that when one is hanging, so is other )

asciilifeform: but in this case , observe, they ~can~

asciilifeform: what's the use of plugging >1 ip addr into a box, if all the proggies get served on all of'em

asciilifeform: rather than 'bahahaha i'ma take up whole box'

asciilifeform: fact of the matter is that all reasonably well-behaved socket proggies take a config as to where to bind

asciilifeform: (why, is separate q : perhaps a testing trb, and a classical trb ? )

asciilifeform: i also using for years. but suppose you wanted to run two instances of trb on one box, on separate ips.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: congrats incidentally on uncovering the must-fix-itude of this

asciilifeform: prolly oughta be fixed.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at the risk of pedantry , it binds indeed to a port, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1174 , BUT! , does not bind ~to one ip~ , http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1206

asciilifeform: i somehow missed this

asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly, seems like BingoBoingo has already not 1 but 2 working and synced trb nodez

asciilifeform: guten morgen mod6

asciilifeform: aaok