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mircea_popescu: through a bunch of ignorant
twerps using words
they don't understand
the meaning of, in
the context of
their self-allocated importance ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You don't ger such sound it corresponds
to choking on saliva
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:01; asciilifeform: how does a db end up
thought of as part of
the protocol ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: K, working on
that UK piece
BingoBoingo: At
the
time of
the 2013 fork I humbly
though resolution would be possible. I mean it is just making DB's agree. Yet... LevelDB is a mess.
mircea_popescu: this having already been done... we'll have
to figure something out.
mircea_popescu: only way
to manage it i can
think of at
the moment is disallowing
the power ranger imbeciles from further commits
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:24:28; mircea_popescu: you're stuck with
that. how do you
think
the original fork happened.
BingoBoingo would rather not have
to run a Bitcoind in -leper mode if he gets more powerful sparc hardware
BingoBoingo really dislikes
the way leveldb handles memory.
midnightmagic: idea was, only spawn additional *kernel*
threads
to service user
threads where it was absolutely necessary
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: M:N
threading was a solaris-like, more-performant-than N:N
threading model
that nate committed
to netbsd, but due
to its complexity had
to be backed out because nobody could maintain it or reliably fix bugs in it.
mircea_popescu: i
tyhought
they were stuggling with getting it
to work.
midnightmagic: like
the really unfortunate backout of
the M:N
threading model on NetBSD.
that was a sad
time.
mircea_popescu: the actual unit is
tiny, makes
the crate look like it's 60% packaging
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: it was released
to -current, running -current is explicitly disclaimed.
midnightmagic: Also, I don't know much about FreeBSD except
they caught
their shitty /dev/random mistake before it was released
to production
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i don't
think anyoine's using
them anymore seriously.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using
the 0.5.3.1 fork.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: The entire FreeBSD 10 series is a replay of
the 5 series retardation on steroids
midnightmagic: asciilifeform:
they dodged a bullet and nobody's called
them on it
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: if someone wants
to
trick you into accepting an invalid block,
they can use
this
to do so
midnightmagic: asciilifeform:
the
thing I'd be more concerned about was
the recent non-random random number generator
they committed
to released versions.
BingoBoingo: <Luke-Jr> a non-db example
that we are currently getting rid of is
the non-DER signatures << Has
the problem of people creating such sigs really happened outside of
the goxnode retardation beginning block 168001?
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: most
those problems I've read so far are only problems if you let randos log in
to your bitcoind box. I personally would not be interested in running a non-dedicated bitcoind box on any OS.
Luke-Jr: a non-db example
that we are currently getting rid of is
the non-DER signatures
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: it's coincidence. if
there is ever an insert which succeeds in leveldb but fails in bdb,
those nodes will no longer be capable of sync'ing
to head.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was
the lock limit
☟︎ BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> NetBSD builds and syncs
to head almost
trivially now. << But so much memory unsafety
midnightmagic: Linux on PPC builds and syncs
to head based on
the bigendian patch. I have not verified it against a current git yet.
midnightmagic: NetBSD builds and syncs
to head almost
trivially now.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well for openbsd builds fired live
the big change isn't db at all, but in wallet.cpp changing
the random call
to a better one (should not be necessary in -current or 5.7)
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: if it is not bug-for-bug compatible with LevelDB, someone can fork you off
the network
BingoBoingo: Some people had built 0.9.x -sh on openbsd according
to stories but no recipies were supplied
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: ah, hm. I wonder how easily just adding some OpenBSD checks similar
to
the FreeBSD ones would go
Luke-Jr: if leveldb fails
to insert a UTXO,
then a
transaction creating
that UTXO is invalid by
the consensus rules
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: OpenBSD. I had
the choice of debugging a bunch of wank or reverting
to 0.7.2 and hand patching.
Luke-Jr: which is inherently defined by
the code
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: I mean
the consensus protocol
☟︎ Luke-Jr: afaik only
the guys here are
trying
to maintain any sort of pre-leveldb codebase now
☟︎ Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: post of course. LevelDB is part of
the Bitcoin consensus protocol now.
cazalla: asciilifeform, my reputation for poverty IRL might not match with what goes on here simply because
the one
thing i will spend money on is food/drink.. every unit i've rented furnished with second hand goods, i've purchased clothing from
the same places (mind you, have not purchased clothing in at least 2 years)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I need working hardware. In
the past I've
treated such bexen as
too disposable. Ingnored fans cries for help.
BingoBoingo wonders if Big endian bitcoind will happen before all of
the blockchain passes
the 127 GB most interesting of such machines are limited
to.
BingoBoingo: If it came
to replacing my current vehicle I'd prolly start looking at used police crown vics
BingoBoingo: Brand new car is
the worst possible expense in
the Anglophone world. Nearly half
the sticker price goes straight
to
the fire.
BingoBoingo: This Saturn sedan has forded roads deeper
than
the floor of
the passenger compartment,
traveled
to
the other side of a divided freeway, and still burns fuel like a miser
cazalla: asciilifeform, you have no idea i
tells ya
cazalla: BingoBoingo, god forbid she drive around in anything less
than brand new!
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Are
they interested in purchasing
the Saturn of Supremacy?
cazalla: if
there is anything
that gets my blood pressure sky rocketing, it's people
tell me or someone close
to me how i should spend money on useless shit
hanbot: so
then maybe she could buy you a new one.
cazalla: hanbot, nope, she has a merc
to drive around in, mcmansion etc (all paid for by
the long dead but rich father in law mind you)
hanbot: maybe she wants
the old one.
cazalla: bloody mother in laws who give
their daughters
the idea
that you need a new car simply because
the old one is looking old (despite being fucking fine mechanically wise)
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TENDS
TO CORRUPT & ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY" :
THE US GOVERNMENT UNLAWFUL EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION LAWS WHERE OUR
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THEMSELVES GODS OVER US. ... (
http://bit.ly/1CCmNbe )
BingoBoingo: Mice plainly exist here get into
the birdseed and shit all over
the garage.
BingoBoingo: Maybe here
the rats know
to stay in
the farm fields, but...
They don't seem endemic here like
the mice do.
mod6: <+funkenstein_> i
tested
the 0.5.3 build on an old ubuntu box, built like a charm << nice!
thanks for
the info
BingoBoingo: Maybe here
there just isn't enough of a niche for
them between mice and racoons