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mod6: Luke-Jr: anyway, im
trying
to listen on -port=8333 but i
think aws is doing something funny.
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, all
the idiots are
the same one idiot.
mircea_popescu: srsly, random shitheads know what
things are now. what is
this,
the future ?
cazalla: anyway i don't need
this aggravation, had enough of it
today
brendafdez: If
that was a feature, we'd be using Freicoin
cazalla: n3xtb1gthng, if people willingly accept my worthless dollars, i would be foolish
to give
them something of actual value eh
brendafdez: <Luke-Jr> if
there is a nominal inflation
that is automatic (beyond
the very low percentage caused by mining)
that would incentivize spending, and since people want
to spend it, adoption (people will accept it). << sounds like keynesian braindamage
n3xtb1gthng: If someone isn't receiving hundreds of bitcoins per day from any other source, how do you know
they will accept yours? And if you don't know
they will accept yours, how do you know
that you hold money? adoption = acceptance and usage
trinque: PeterL: I was looking for a definition of
the phrase
☟︎ PeterL: trinque:
the "social contract" of bitcoin is
the "spec" as laid out by satoshi in
the white paper
n3xtb1gthng: cazalla - I mean if you didn't want
the possibility of spending it, how is it even money? It's only money because you know people will accept it :) :) And
that comes from
the fact
that
they accept everyone else's - i.e. high adoption.
mircea_popescu: <n3xtb1gthng> is
there a philosophical reaosn you don't build some level of seigniorage into bitcoin? (as some alt's have)? << about
the same sort of philosophical reason as not building a
tail into you.
n3xtb1gthng: cazalla you can both spend money and get money?
The definition of a 'currency' is just a unit you do
this in?
n3xtb1gthng: danielpbarron, I disagree. if
twenty people are
trading seashells at a rate of
twenty
trades happen per day,
that is high adotpion. at
the rate of 1 seashell gets
traded per year,
that is low adotpion. adoption = spending.
danielpbarron: n3xtb1gthng, spending is literally
the opposite of adopting as you are necessarily getting rid of
the
thing you are spending
Luke-Jr: n3xtb1gthng: such a
thing would violate
the social contract; altcoins don't have a preexisting social contract
to adhere
to
n3xtb1gthng: danielpbarron, I'm
totally unclear. spending literally == (=========) adoption, when it comes
to a currency?
danielpbarron: "hey you! adopt
this! ok now spend it! get rid of it! quick!"
danielpbarron: and why would we want
to incentivize spending?? doesn't
that goal contradict "mass adoption" ?
n3xtb1gthng: Luke-Jr, I mean if
there is a nominal inflation
that is automatic (beyond
the very low percentage caused by mining)
that would incentivize spending, and since people want
to spend it, adoption (people will accept it).
danielpbarron: arguably, bitcoin *is* doing
that
thought, as it only costs what? 150 USD worth of electricty
to mine 1 bitcoin which should be worth millions of USD
Luke-Jr: n3xtb1gthng: in what sense? it costs more
to mine bitcoins
than you get already
danielpbarron: n3xtb1gthng,
that is
the kind of
thing bitcoin has come
to destroy
n3xtb1gthng: is
there a philosophical reaosn you don't build some level of seigniorage into bitcoin? (as some alt's have)?
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danielpbarron: is bitcoind still giving out version numbers
to other nodes?
brendafdez: BingoBoingo I'm available,
too. Not sure about
the 'good' part,
though.
Luke-Jr: 0.0.0.0 is not routable, so
this
tells me nothing.
mod6: o.O how is it syncing blocks
then?
Luke-Jr: I'd like
to investigate why my crawler isn't picking it up
n3xtb1gthng: do
those arcs run bitcoin
today? (standard bitcoin)
BingoBoingo: n3xtb1gthng: Well, a bitcoind build
that is bigendian friendly for PPC, SPARC, and 68000 would be
the
tits
mod6: <+Luke-Jr> asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using
the 0.5.3.1 fork. << not
true. i'm using it.
BingoBoingo inquires if
there are any good proofreaders active atm
that could serve
the qntra
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Because it moved from deadstamp
to buttfines
danielpbarron: why does gribble's vwap go away whenever
there's
the slightest volatility? and why does
the vwap work if you get a quote in
terms of ounces of gold?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 262.96, Best ask: 263.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last
trade: 263.0, 24 hour volume: 67036.12085919, 24 hour low: 250.33, 24 hour high: 269.5, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how
the ~60 or so nodes left running are really not enough for 2012.
mod6: maybe i'll order one
this coming week
mod6: yeah, gotta get me one and
try it out
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 got
tons more of
thems. << hmm?
mircea_popescu: to no-one's surprise except i guess a coupla code monkeys here and
there who really bought
the "doocracy" koolaid.
mircea_popescu: if
that were
the actual criteria,
then "bitcoin" would be green and printed on paper.
brendafdez: Oh,
that's sad, I
though I knew eho
they'd just hired
to look for
them. "Yeah I suppose
the sad story in here is
that if you show supposedly literate
teenagers
the insides of a USB stick
they may be seeing it for
the first
time, and if you demand
they point out
the actual memory cores
to save
their lives
they may well not be able
to."
http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#comment-95546 assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 01:16:20; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: Bitcoin's rules are defined by what people use. Nobody is using
the 0.5.3.1 fork.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about
that one!
they've not sold anything
to anyone since last year. and yet...
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised cisco still pretends
to be in business
brendafdez: Don't be so mean,
they are busy looking for
the spy chips
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't ask cisco for
their own heads on a platter.
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: With Cisco
the NSA spying likely begins on
the main silicon out of
the factory
mircea_popescu: i can see why
the gavin
troop would like
the defense of "we have already moved
the protocol once"
to rely on, but it's simply not
true.
mircea_popescu: and
the second
time it won't, if
that happens, its chain will be also abandoned.
mircea_popescu: but
the first
time it didn't submit its chain was abandoned
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 01:10:30; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: for example, back when Bitcoin's consensus protocol used BDB, one such wedge was
the lock limit
brendafdez: Cisco has poked around its routers for possible spy chips, but
to date has not found anything because it necessarily does not know what NSA
taps may look like, according
to Stewart." :D
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have
to do,
then, is
to pile on
the meat puppets, until suddenly
there is a 'controversy', and
there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'
mircea_popescu: you don't have support, principally because you were not good enough, and failed
to grasp
this in
time.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:49; Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: I mean
the consensus protocol
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 02:28:39; asciilifeform: 'On
two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will
the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly
to apprehend
the kind of confusion of ideas
that could provoke such a question.'
mircea_popescu: same dope
that
they weren't smart
tosling in
the first place.
mircea_popescu: every
time you change anything you're stuck auditing
the whole
thing you changed./
mircea_popescu: where does all
this braindamage stem from, seriously. what's
the difference between an "only audit
the changes auditing process" and dead reckoning ?
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 01:06:17; Luke-Jr: afaik only
the guys here are
trying
to maintain any sort of pre-leveldb codebase now
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1058664 << contrary
to what you might have erroneously come
to believe a) 0.5.1 version as printed by
the bitcoin foundation is
the cannonical version of bitcoin ; b) various groups of scammers
trying
to attack bitcoin are continuously pushing
their own versions of solidcoin, which has all
the importance of ms boring's bitcoin chamber of commerce.
☝︎ Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: you audit only
the changes
BingoBoingo: Anyone have a link for britania's private key siezure
turding?
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it'll do just as well as all preivious rehashes of
this process.