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mircea_popescu: hey, i recall your friend
that was going
to help with eulora for windows. he ever got in wot ?
mircea_popescu: ahh check it out, everyone's asleep, i got
the whole multiplex all
to myself.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 07:14:17; cazalla: mircea_popescu: why let everyone
think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get
those eyes checked, perhaps same
time as indiancandy gets
that nose seen
too
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 07:00:23; brendafdez:
This brings us
to another issue which is
the way
the 'foundations' present
themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin.
That way
they are better able
to get funds from companies which want
to be advertised and from membes of
the community who want
to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what
the FBA was/is doing and what
the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 06:44:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell mike_c i've got high hopes for
the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 06:11:21; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog
the same?
cazalla: alternatively,
translate
the spanish bitcoin news
to english and have it on main qntra
cazalla: my suggested would be
to set you up on es.qntra.net, but ask mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo for
their
thoughts
cazalla: <brendafdez> Next
time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll
try
to get him
to gpg sign something
that says
they want my Spanish
translations :P <<< did we not make it clear
that
they are wanted?
brendafdez: Sadly he will not be coming
to
the conference, so I can't put substances in his drink
to make him open
the keyring (?
brendafdez: *Next
time I see BingoBoingo really drunk
brendafdez: Next
time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll
try
to get him
to gpg sign something
that says
they want my Spanish
translations :P
brendafdez: that's where one goes when
time's not enough
to read logs and blogs :P
brendafdez: There's also qntra, it's
the sane place
to get your bitcoin cup of coffee without all
the CoinDesk shit
marteen: brendafdez:
thanks, I saved it for reading it later
marteen: and I can even
trust
the 'verdulero', etc., but i definitely don't
trust my bank
brendafdez: if
they can
trust you back, especially now
that youre in
the wot you could pay with your own
marteen: I can
trust my coffee shop
brendafdez: but for quite a while
there's been a
trend
to sell 'decentralization of your grandma
through smart contracts in
the blockchain' as
the next big
thing,
that's maybe just smoke and meaningless bullshit
to appeal
to
the vcs
BingoBoingo: brendafdez> bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if
there are large costs
to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver << It going
take some intermediate step. Instead of
trading you highly valuable Bitcoin/Plutonium for coffee you
trade it for big bundle of credits at
the coffee shop or whatever
the local cash sustomarily used for small value
trades is
marteen: the key
there is
that it should be very easy and almost free for anyone
to create a centralized private
token
brendafdez: it's not
that bad having centralized private
tokens.
marteen: ohh, yea,
that last part I could accept
brendafdez: that's where we're heading back with bitcoin,
taking away
the power of
the government. Sometimes one loses
the big picture.
Taking
the ability of
the government corporation
to finance itself
through robbery (taxes) and deceit (inflation) is important. Decentralizing coffy purchases at small shops maybe not so much. You could do it in centralized brandatokens and get your bitcoin sent at
the end of
the day. If I charge you much you go
marteen: brendafdez: btw,
thanks for
taking
the
time
to explain all
this
to me :)
brendafdez: for most all
the rest of human history private money was no big deal
brendafdez may be saying lots of bullshit here. Hope
to get corrected.
brendafdez: after all, fiat and
the monopoly of money by
the state has been going for barely a century.
marteen: hhmmm, i don't like
these papers
brendafdez: however i doubt it's a better
technology
than handning a piece of paper in exchange for drinks
brendafdez: i'm not sure,
there are alternatvies, alternative chains, sidechains, whatever, which certainly can't compete with bitcoin.
marteen: but I would still like
to be able
to make small electronic value
transactions without recurring
to a central
trusted party
though
brendafdez: so when blocks fill up and
transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving
the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer
brendafdez: In
the future we'll look back and wonder how bitcoin
transactions used
to be free, when
they have large costs involved and it needs be so
to keep
the network secure
marteen: hmm, ok... I
think I understand your point
brendafdez: bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if
there are large costs
to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver
brendafdez: but it's problematic for many reasons
to
think
that
the value of bitcoin is
to be able
to pay coffe at a shop
brendafdez: If mircea or pete were online and willing
to discuss it, it would be easier,
they have a more solid and convincing rhetoric
than I could dream of myself
brendafdez: the banks can be avoided entirely.
The intermediary is not a must. You can just get in contact with other people, publish your own listings and such. When you're paying with bitcoin,
they are selling
the bitcoin, so
the cost is also
there. In Argentina anyway pretty much no
transactions at PoS are made in bitcoin, it's just a show for companies which pretend
to be doing busniess helping merchants accept bitcoin
marteen: anyway, even if
there's availability of btc <-> fiat services, i'd much rather avoid
the intermediaries (and
the banks)
marteen: brendafdez: wow,
thanks for all
this info :)
marteen: and if it involves a bank account,
then
that adds
to
the inconveniency
brendafdez: santiago castiglione
travels
there often bringing cash,
the
two btb braindamaged morons do it, if you can stand
their stupidity.
Tha saner person in Mendoiza is Adriel Araujo from Bitpagos. Contact him, he'll be able
to help you, no doubt.
marteen: I don't know any people here in mendoza
that provide
that service
brendafdez: if you were in a small
town and no bank account
then maybe inconvenient
brendafdez: why is it? bc
there are no people doing it cash in mendoza? i know for a fact
thats not
the acse
marteen: brendafdez: yea, but
that's still pretty inconvenient (selling btc for fiat)
brendafdez: if you hold gold you dont need merchants
to accept gold
cazalla: brendafdez: indiancandy
they are awesome <3
those
tits. I feel guilty now
that I made you start posting pics :) <<< great
tits, great body, but what a busted face she has
brendafdez: you can sell
the bitcoin and buy with fiat,
marteen: well, I mean... I'd like
to buy more
things more directly with bitcoin...
brendafdez: I
told you i wasn't even breaking even :P ask
the FBA guys,
they got funded in late 2012
to do it, and a few who suck
theirs get a small part of
the cake
brendafdez: the point about evangelism is
that if you suck
the right cock you may make a living out of it. I'm not naming names
cazalla: mircea_popescu: why let everyone
think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get
those eyes checked, perhaps same
time as indiancandy gets
that nose seen
too
marteen: well i
think we need more companies accepting bitcoin
brendafdez: The whole 'evangelism'
thing is bullshit, but
there are incentives
to do it, companies paying for it, who get
their money from vcs and desperately need adoption, users, whatever
brendafdez: selling
the campanies
the idea
that you'll be selling
them with bitcoin
to people who attend
the
talks/conferences/etc
brendafdez: I wanted
to write an article on 'bitcon evangelism' or 'selling bitcoin', which of course is selling it
to
the companies not
the people :P
marteen: brendafdez: ah, of course...
that's nice
brendafdez: but also it was always open
to people who wanted
to come with us. As generally we weren't even covering
the costs, having more poeple participate usually meant each one had
to pay a smaller fraction, usually less money.
ben_vulpes: hence
the startup as flamethrower fueled by bezzlars metaphor.
brendafdez: through sponsors, we had some of
them, bitpagos sponsored every
trip, digicoins sponsored
the
trip
to mendoza, beOk sponsored
the
trip
to paraguay
brendafdez: it was awesome for us as an experience I must say, getting
to know
the local communites,
to
travel so much, also
to be able
to promote one 'real use case' for bitcoin
to local service providers
marteen: brendafdez: you mention 'funding issue'... how do you usually get
this funding?
brendafdez: but who know, neither me nor
the other 3 'founders' have buried it, so...
brendafdez: When we presented our project as an independent bunch of guys it wasn't
the same.
brendafdez: This brings us
to another issue which is
the way
the 'foundations' present
themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin.
That way
they are better able
to get funds from companies which want
to be advertised and from membes of
the community who want
to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what
the FBA was/is doing and what
the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale.
ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell nubbins care
to share your darwin recipe?
brendafdez: well, i don't have plans, but it may happen.
The last
trip we made as part of
the Giras Bitcoiners project was Asunción in Paraguay last December.
The funding issue wasn't getting better. Only one of
the
trips allowed us
to break even.
marteen: brendafdez: so... you planning on coming back
to mendoza soon?
marteen: brendafdez: interesting!
thanks :)
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34;
trinque: lol, cmere
toddler, check out
the deep end
marteen: nice... I need
to automate
this now
brendafdez: marteen you can message !up
to assbot and verify by decypting
the string
ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell mike_c i've got high hopes for
the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL
ben_vulpes: now's your chance
to !up yourself, marteen
ben_vulpes: as far as
the wot goes, you are actually
the newest member.
brendafdez: ben_vulpes :P i'm am, but i've already fixed
the lastness issue. No longer
the newest, new flesh blood, and on it goes.
trinque: brendafdez:
those in L2 or better can voice
ben_vulpes: although, entertainingly, every day
the election cycle grows closer, babe-o-tron grows more insistent about spending 2016 out of
the country.
ben_vulpes: kind of only insofar as it might get me lower price
tickets
brendafdez: ben_vulpes I could put you in contact with people who may want
to do it, but I
think
they have
their issues with customs
too, not as stringent as argentina
brendafdez: ben_vulpes you need someone
there you could ship
things
to?