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trinque: I would like access
to
the source but
that's a separate issue
trinque: funkenstein_:
there's nothing wrong with paying for software
nubbins`: funkenstein_ are we even speaking
the same language here?
funkenstein_: if not let me know i'll get you
the apk or whatever for free
nubbins`: i'm sure you're
talking out your ass
nubbins`: if all i wanted was a map i'd
take a fucking map
trinque: best
thing about gossipd is probably going
to be writing software around it
funkenstein_: you are looking for good map software actually, GIS is what you mean
to say
nubbins`: no, it lets you create
tracks, waypoints, PoIs, displays your avg speed and distance
travelled, switch map overlays, blah blah
danielpbarron: i paid for
the up-sells in an app called "unfollow" so
that i could keep an exceptions list; had it remove it recently because it became
too buggy
trinque: exchange pub key
to get access
nubbins`: funkenstein_
that said, if you know of a way i can
turn my phone into a full-featured GPS unit for eight dollars, feel free
to let me know
ascii_field: check out
the many apps whose functionality sums up
to one line of 'sed' on a sane machine
trinque: so when do we fix
the internet guys?
ascii_field: danielpbarron:
this is an ancient plague in
the apple world. vendor releases an unusable os, and
then various 'entrepreneurs' show up
to expensively offer
to paper over
the
turd, and users - oblige
danielpbarron: i paid for an app called "drafts" which had
the selling point of being a no-nonsense
text input and saving app
funkenstein_: i pay folks
to write software, not
to uh, well whatever it is you paid for
trinque: I'm not keen on intellectual property, but
that's not what I (tell myself I) pay for when I buy software
nubbins`: but
to answer your impossibly odd question, yes,
the GPS app
that i purchased had already been written when i purchased it
funkenstein_: i ran windows at one point
too, not gonna brag about it
though
danielpbarron: funkenstein_> i refuse
to admit
that any creature would pay for an app << I've paid for a few
funkenstein_: software
that has already been written is free
trinque: were
the web not insane,
there'd be no 'app stores'
nubbins`: funkenstein_
try asking a different way?
trinque: I've paid for a few apps, but my phone
tends
to be a mobile web browser
nubbins`: doing work on spec where it has
to pass
through a single arbiter is /daft/
funkenstein_: i refuse
to admit
that any creature would pay for an app
ascii_field: article mentions gruber. who i recall very distinctly as an especially smarmy 'volunteer' apple propagandizer. he once sent fifty or so
thousand morons
to my site
nubbins`: fifty-two apps
that had
to be written,
tested, submitted, accepted, promoted...
nubbins`: nobody mentions how "angry birds" devs made, what was it? 52 failures before
they hit
that one
nubbins`: almost so different as
to not warrant mentioning
trinque: just "hey how are we going
to chase
this loyalty/social/...
trend"
nubbins`: i know of noone else who can support
themselves, let alone a family, on iOS
ascii_field: nubbins`: very different from
the populist chumpatron,
though
trinque: the few low-tier VCs I've
talked
to werent'
the slightest bit interested in
the fact
that a) we're already profitable and b) had a sane plan
to become more so
nubbins`: i do know a guy who earns his living making mobile apps, but he's
truly gifted and also concentrates on bespoke apps for product launch displays, interactive booths, etc
ascii_field: nubbins`: not even speaking of 'early adopters' - but of who it is who owns
the 'app' market -today-
trinque: seems
to be precisely
the same mechanism
ascii_field: the app 'gold mine'
thing is precisely
the 'disney entrepreneur farm'
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 04:59:28; asciilifeform: church (evidently in some other piece, forget which) likens
the vc circus
to
the process whereby american 'pop musicians' are industrially manufactured by, among other outfits, disney corp.
nubbins`: i.e. for about
three weeks, way back at
the start, writing a "fart app" could reasonably earn you several months' wages
nubbins`: ascii_field not unlike bitcoin, early "adopters" of writing ios apps scooped up most of
the "free money"
ascii_field: -these- and precisely -these- people will always be
the first
to swear
to you
that 'being a star just happens'
nubbins`: "wait now, all
those ipads are viewing
the bitcoin forum"
ascii_field: ^ how
the 'making a living with apps' folks do it
nubbins`: fwiw i earned enough money
to buy an ipad
nubbins`: (anyone with half a brain could probably extrapolate
that doing work on speculation, in general, is not a reasonable way of making a living)
nubbins` wrote
two iOS apps, submitted
to overlord for review & put up for sale
chetty: ascii_field, most likely no real knowledge of
the gold rush
ascii_field: 'According
to reporting, "1.6 percent of developers earn more
than
the other 98.4 percent combined. And
the bottom 47 percent of engineers earn less
than $100 per month." Yet somehow, independent app development has often been described as a 'gold rush' despite it being quietly understood by developers, even as early as 2009,
that
this was hardly
the case.' << does
this person have any awareness of what
the '49 goldrush
ascii_field: 'Recent revelations show
that
the situation has gotten so bad
that
today
there are only approximately 3000 apps profitable enough
to support a median income of $50k for
their developer. It is also important
to note
that not all apps are built by one developer, many work as a
team. So it follows
that
there are many fewer
than 3000 developers sustainably doing independent development.'
ascii_field: but guess what, a modern italian can't go around proclaiming 'civis romanus sum'
to any useful result, either
ascii_field: danielpbarron:
the vibe i got was 'why won't
they lick my boots, whatddayamean it isn't 1890 and i'm not a brit'
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what, precisely, was it
that you wanted from
the jamaicans ?
ascii_field: mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out
the situation. << know perfectly well
that we -have- a real basis. any crypto standard promulgated by known malefactors is
to be
thrown out. and replaced not with iraqi caesar ciphers, no, but with derivation from first principles of perfectly reasonable modern crypto.
ascii_field: mats: your phrase 'avoid all crypto standards' is very much -not-
the inevitable implication of dismissing usg crapolade
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 15:06:52; nubbins`: example from link: "When a black guy works at Starbucks and one hesitates
to ask him for `black coffee"
nubbins`: i'm not sure i'll be able
to find a photograph
that accurately captures what a bizarre juxtaposition
this is, in
the meantime
nubbins`: but straight up,
there is a club med about 100 meters from
the main square, and you can
tell
nubbins`: actually,
touts aside, i'd go again for
the food
nubbins`: saw
the countryside a couple days
nubbins`: holed up in a hostel somewhere in
the maze of souks for
the week
nubbins`: turns out, stupid length of
trip
nubbins`: i went
to marrakesh for a week
pete_dushenski: "One of Britons' favourite places
to visit in North Africa has been named
the world's
top destination by
TripAdvisor users. With its desert landscape and bustling souks, Marrakech came out on
top in
the website's annual
Travellers' Choice Awards for
the first
time."
pete_dushenski: i should say, i had
the 2-3 weeks, but chose
to spread it out over
two
trips instead of 1
pete_dushenski: lol funny you should mention marrakesh, i was actually going
to go
to morocco instead of jamaica but didn't have
the 2-3 weeks needed
to make
the haul worthwhile
nubbins`: i recommend you keep doing it for
the forseeable future :D
nubbins`: part of me feels
this speaks
to
the relative lack of environmental stressors
pete_dushenski: given
the mini-bus
trip i
took from
the north of
the island
to
the south, with 8 rows of people jammed, and i do mean jammed with mothers and children, 5 across
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: different
tolerance for comforts or lack
thereof << i guess jamaicans have a higher
tolerance for discomfort
than i do
pete_dushenski: i don't mind westjet,
their staff are quite well
trained
nubbins`: you ask for a beer and
they just give you one, it's great
nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> in
that case, why bother doing better
than fly guts kid ? <<< same reason one might bother
to do worse: different
tolerance for comforts or lack
thereof
pete_dushenski: i guess cutting costs from air
travel has consequences. who knew you can't race
to
the bottom indefinitely.
pete_dushenski: "An Airbus A320 crashed en route
to Dusseldorf from Barcelona, likely killing all 150 people on board, in what would be
the worst air accident on French soil in
three decades. Germanwings Flight 9525 operated by
the low-cost subsidiary of Deutsche Lufthansa AG went down in
the French Alps following a rapid descent from cruising altitude, France’s civil aviation authority said."
pete_dushenski: in
that case, why bother doing better
than fly guts kid ?
nubbins`: sure, but doesn't mean automatic handjobs for
the guy who doesn't scoop fly guts
pete_dushenski: they're not me and i'm not
them, so ya, if we say words
that sounds superficially similar,
they have different contexts,
thus different implications