log☇︎
508400+ entries in 0.331s
asciilifeform: on any modern toolchain
asciilifeform: i can tell none of you tried to build pogo's vendor kernel
mircea_popescu has angrily closed that blogspot
mircea_popescu: moreover, as late as during ww2, the west thought the war is mostly about preventing exactly that.
mircea_popescu: for most of the industrial revolution, late 1600s to early 1900s, this view was exactly not held.
mircea_popescu: "A new system of economic relations was brought into being, based on money that could be generated at will, in the form of debt" << this is EXACTLY unrelated to capitalism.
decimation: my male line lived under the landgraf hesse-homburg for at least 400 years
decimation: fredrick inspired much socialistoid bureaucracy too
decimation: ah true
mircea_popescu: decimation that cavalry was not feudal tho. prussian military.
decimation: polish calvary charging the motorized wehrmacht?
mircea_popescu: which i wager is before he thinks feudalism STARTS
asciilifeform: or, less crackpottishly, the idea of ascendancy of the merchant class probably equals capitalism in his head
mircea_popescu: this may be true, but the girl's still pretty badly bloodied.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with using a language is that you're stuck using it according to itself tho. this is like, orlov horribly mauled a teenaged girl and you're like "well clearly the bear thought her cunt's salmon."
mircea_popescu: perhaps an argument can be brought for places like sicily cca 1930, but it is still very tenuous.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can tell he's using the su version of capitalism (it being, 'what is left when you subtract stone age + feudalism + communism from the cosmic background hiss)
mircea_popescu: in NO CASE was feudalism replaced by capitalism tho.
mircea_popescu: (in favour of the centralised state)
mircea_popescu: but basically, feudalism and metalwork almost look as a zero sum game : as the latter develops the former fades
decimation: Herr Fredrick took the "of" for himself
asciilifeform: 'salute the uniform, not the man!' (TM)
assbot: Landgrave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDonu2 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unapparent from the orlov piece.
decimation: The German titles of Landgraf, Markgraf, and Pfalzgraf bei Rhein are in the same class of ranks as Herzog ("duke") and above the rank of a Graf ("count").
asciilifeform thought that this was reasonably well known
mircea_popescu: it was ending just as the hansa was coming into its own.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the peak of feudalism is around the peak of things like the tournoi as a public sport.
mircea_popescu: (march = marsh = border, in this understanding. strips of marginal and thus uninhabited lands)
mircea_popescu: "about half the power a count used to have back when the counts of belgium dominated france, for to protect the country borders"
decimation: ^graf who reports directly to emperor
asciilifeform: it's an ill habit, sorta like the elaborate rules for mistransliterating german and english
mircea_popescu: it may be a path to "respek" an autoritah
asciilifeform: sorta like those 'c' programmers who #define'd themselves BEGIN and END blocks
mircea_popescu: ima insist this is no path to understanding
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll add that this is (or was) sop in ru world
mircea_popescu: "here's what i remember of this bad translation of a phenomena by some people who didn't live it, and who are so far from me culturally i in turn have no idea. let's make an infographic and educate reddit."
mircea_popescu: hey, more power to you, but really...
mircea_popescu: grof ? that's a hungarian/polish count.
asciilifeform: see i can tell where he got it.
mod6: ok im gonna stop this thing, rebuild one more time for good measure, then will create diffs & publish.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a count
mircea_popescu: marsh lord, what is known as marquis, actually outranked counts at court, chiefly because being the lord of a marsh he had much more legal power than the head of settled land
mircea_popescu: in any case : counts as in, counts palatine, counts of the hre, etc, were sovereign.
mircea_popescu: by the time anyone cares about this feudalism was long defeated.
mircea_popescu: "what order do they follow the monarch in"
asciilifeform: duke outranks count there, so.
asciilifeform: aha but the man's dictionary
mircea_popescu: russia did not exist. the various duchies were not even feudal ffs.
mircea_popescu: protip : no, it's not 1550, that's the cinquecento in italy, feudalism is already dead and rotting everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i am willing to bet, on the strength of that diagram, that his disneyland notions of "feudalism" preclude him even knowing WHEN in time this happened
mircea_popescu: find a fucking count that was allegiant to a duke in the entire history of feudalism.
mircea_popescu: this is why i don't like reading orlov. the propaganda angle doesn't bother me as much, but the millitant, sheer ignorance does.
mircea_popescu: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tHsZRRZGenI/VQ2bzk35ARI/AAAAAAAAGR8/Dyutk4-Qy6Q/s1600/Feudal.png << this is pretty idiotic.
asciilifeform: they are in violation of gpl and, if anyone were actually concerned with this, would be made to swallow a hammer or whatever it is that is supposed to happen to such hooligans
mod6: it's 1 change to the auto.sh file, & have to have the 3 vars at the top set correctly. I'll post a copy of this auto.sh, a diff to the 64 bit version and a diff to the original portatronic version yet tonight.
asciilifeform: where, for instance, is their config ?
asciilifeform: i would dearly love to know what kind of 'open source' the folks who built that archlinux kernel practice.
mircea_popescu: <brendafdez> No bitcoin payoutsa, however << a) nothing surprising about it and b) everyone wants to get as many btc as humanly possible before having to admit it.
asciilifeform: now trying to find which of the 5 supported marvells is actually compatible with kirkwood
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config << ahahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah you did say, and yeah i guess pretty much everyone honestly trying has figured out the same thing, if not necessarily apt to express it.
asciilifeform: 'This might be unduly harsh, but if Atomwise can do what they say, why are they on Ycombinator? Pull up to a big pharma, ask for some minimally proprietary data, and let the computers go to work. It'd be like printing winning lottery tickets.'
mod6: will work on bdb & boost... will publish findings/changes to mailing list when complete...
mod6: x32 OpenSSL built: requires adding -m32 flag to ./Configure & setting: SSL_ARCH_TYPE=linux-generic32
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
mod6: alright, new droplet created for x32 deb6 testing. ☟︎
Adlai: even better, use sasl (Auth to services: ☑)
Adlai: brendafdez: identify before joining the channel and you'll be cloaked
brendafdez: Neteller will gladly take your bitcoin in exchange for their tokens, at no cost. You can proceed to then spend them through their debit card and such... http://www.coindesk.com/neteller-bitcoin-deposit-policy-reversal/
brendafdez: what does it mean I lose logging? local logs? bc I do see it in the online log for the channel
brendafdez: This is weird, do I lose cloak when using the web interface? :/
asciilifeform: where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config
asciilifeform: found shitgnomery though
asciilifeform: still no dice though. no console output
asciilifeform: woah that was fast
decimation: somewhat related, apparently you can order books, music, dvds from amazon.de for 3eur + 3eur per kg shipping (to the us)
asciilifeform has not checked the quality of the scan
assbot: Новотны Й. - Крот в городе, скачать бесплатно книгу в формате fb2, doc, rtf, html, txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRujN4 )
decimation: heh I didn't realize there was a book
asciilifeform: decimation: i never saw the animated one. only had the book
decimation: my daughter loves to watch Кро́т cartoons now
asciilifeform: appears to be vaguely minix-flavoured
asciilifeform: can't speak for anything else in there
asciilifeform: very bad phrasing right off the bat
decimation: "Uh, many. It's currently text-only, its IP stack isn't functionnal and will have to be partly rewritten, privilege-checking isn't implemented, it can't handle more than one hard drive..."
decimation: it's an utterly crippled version of 'linux' with all the crud stripped out
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see this http://www.manux.info/en/
assbot: ‘The Anarchist Cookbook’ and the rise of DIY terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtPqu )
decimation: lol is that a freebsd feature?
asciilifeform: that's another hour or three that i will have no useful output.
asciilifeform: nukes the toolchain (incl. gcc) too.
asciilifeform: hint to others: NEVER 'make clean' on a working buildroot cross-compilation tree
asciilifeform: or alternatively, 'quit believing the docs'
asciilifeform: ^ not in buildroot menus, because tards
BingoBoingo: ^ latest in tradition of people doing this
assbot: Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtiod )
asciilifeform: which is considerably more pleasant to use
decimation: asciilifeform: did you get the remote u-boot console working?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants... ☟︎