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mircea_popescu: then you complain that no time and stuff. srsly.
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mircea_popescu: no dude. you're trying to raise the engineering bill by 1000s of dollah to save pennies.
asciilifeform: and getting physical objects from one place to another is still pretty hard.
mircea_popescu: so then we buy more.
asciilifeform: but they aren't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if these were still made and we could parachute them around the world - that'd be one thing
ben_vulpes: heh i like that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gpg fits handily on the nand
mircea_popescu: forget it, you want to upgrade get a new unit. ☟︎
asciilifeform: personally what i'd do is look for and verify foundation gpg sig on tarball on sd card when button pressed
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list, attn asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, mod6, nubbins`, decimation, trinque et al
mircea_popescu: once they make a 4gb unit for ~25 we'll think about it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if 'humane' can open shell when that programmable button near the jack is pressed
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 04:29:57; asciilifeform: at the very minimum, development units ought to have it
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069747 <forget it, user can load new brew like he loaded the original ois.
ben_vulpes: what does that even *mean* asciilifeform?
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 04:21:10; trinque: up to the operator to deploy updates later?
ben_vulpes: anyone who runs without -connect is asking for it in the arse.
nubbins`: i don't think so
asciilifeform: they can send the whole lot of us to dev/null
ben_vulpes checks turdolator
asciilifeform: and did the dns seed snip ever get merged ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: right hang on let me diddle this text for a second
asciilifeform: the one that's in there now is unusable.
asciilifeform: eh i know it isn't 'sexy' but don't forget the seed list.
ben_vulpes: nubbins` pre-release regression testing is pretty dumb-dumb right now
nubbins`: REGRESSION TESTING!
nubbins`: spoke outta turn!
ben_vulpes: i get to strike #1 off the foundation todo list!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? << this actually raises the all-important question of priority list
asciilifeform: the photo mats randomly posted today is, incidentally, a picturesque metaphor for what we're doing.
nubbins`: whoever survived the first time they tried the signatures was deemed an expert and dispersed throughout the other units
asciilifeform: (fwiw, my father informs me that this custom was unknown in his unit, and only expert was trusted with wrapping chutes)
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else. << i think i found where this started
asciilifeform: then, if they find a pancake, there is no question of 'whodunit'
asciilifeform: 'i packed this. --mr grunt'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: referring to a tradition in certain armies where men are expected to wrap own parachute
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the implication is that various internals are accessible, and flow can be stopped
asciilifeform: (i for one will happily jump with the parachute i packed for self. but my carcass isn't worth especially much)
trinque: asciilifeform: will also be useful to out any fuckery of the phoundation client later down the chain
asciilifeform: or at least the fate of truly serious folks with much to lose
asciilifeform: trinque: because of the difficulty, and ultimately the very real practical limits of programmatic proof, tandem is likely our fate for many years.
trinque: right, you'll want to check them against each other before making the leap
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and one of the folks here (not guaranteed that it'll be me) writes a spiffy 'ab initio' bitcoind
ben_vulpes: i do this regularly, but in what scenario today?
asciilifeform: i will admit that, with regards to the reference version (let's call it 'traditional') i am especially interested in a tandem-operable variant
asciilifeform: but it will be some time before anyone is faced with question of what to do with my ver.
asciilifeform: but this wasn't a secret, was it
asciilifeform: i intend to
ben_vulpes: k well write a bitcoind then shiva
ben_vulpes: leastaways no time soon.
ben_vulpes: it's a subtle rapier, not a thing for use in anger.
ben_vulpes: it pins the protocol
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference << see, reference y'all
asciilifeform: and yes, this means we freeze gcc, ulibc, etc. in time.
asciilifeform: the result ought to be a self-contained bag of shit that, when executed on any reasonable unix, eventually churns out a set of images suitable for flashing to a 'pogo'.
asciilifeform: that is, the same crosscompiler it builds, that builds kernel etc. will also build bitcoind and its deps
trinque: my pogo's promised to me by the 3rd
asciilifeform: my notion, as of a month plus ago, was to bake the entire orchestra into a buildroot
asciilifeform: the thing is mega-configurable and very baroque
mod6: <+asciilifeform> and i think mod6 had a bunch << naw, don't even own one yet.
asciilifeform: it builds, in this order 1) toolchain (using local gcc) for target cpu - gcc and binutils
asciilifeform: 'buildroot' is this mega-automaton for building cross-compiled os for routers and the like
nubbins`: recall fake bomb detector story, the one thing the guy always brought when he ran was the tooling
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if you think pcb is expensive, try injection-molded anything.
asciilifeform: but ought to try
asciilifeform: now result might be a heap of slag where the logo was
nubbins`: you could laser a byline or smth tho
nubbins`: it's too bad the name is already stamped into the top
asciilifeform: nubbins` laser then.
nubbins`: you'd want solvent inks to silkscreen on that, and yuck
BingoBoingo: Does anyone have a python script for computing the odds of adult male of supplied height and weight versus (Y) pack of coyotes if armed with a tack hammer?
asciilifeform: stickers are so 10 yrs ago when we all had that gnu with horns on laptops
nubbins`: you wouldn't even need to apply the sticker yourself, people like doing that stuff
asciilifeform: nubbins` do you think you could do a print of some kind over the lid?
ben_vulpes: you like things?
nubbins`: i've got some nebulous plans to kit-ify these & sell em
asciilifeform: i'm almost beginning to not-regret picking that machine
nubbins`: i'll have 3 at some point this week
asciilifeform: and i think mod6 had a bunch
asciilifeform: i presently am sitting on no fewer than 12.
nubbins`: far be it from me to assume ;D
asciilifeform: lol i cleaned a cm of dust off my pogo today.
ben_vulpes: yeah, that.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in as far as it may end up the first battlefield deployment of 0.5.3.x - aha.
asciilifeform: the kernel i just posted, sees the nand.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: tomorrow rootfs in nand
ben_vulpes: since when is the pogo my project?
nubbins`: if we end up jamming the os onto the nand, you could have it scan SD cards on insert for patches
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: long thread re: pogo.
asciilifeform: at the very minimum, development units ought to have it
asciilifeform: (not the net)
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes and mod6 decide that we must have an updater (signed, naturally) i suggest that the button be used to trigger it
nubbins`: instead you need a toothpick
nubbins`: no. pressed it like 5x to make sure
asciilifeform: thought yours might have had a button under the lamp
nubbins`: i had to double check
asciilifeform: i have it too
nubbins`: next to eth