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nubbins`: so
this is all agreed, anything
that can be modified should be signed
ascii_field: user is free
to examine
the (signed) update on his own
time
nubbins`: there's gotta be a sane way
to do
this over
the wire
mthreat: after
the land of chipotle
nubbins`: the list'll be stale by
the
time someone gets a box
ascii_field: SIGNED update would have
to be on attached storage
ascii_field: can't rely on anything on
the net staying put
nubbins`: where's
the seed list now, in a fucking .c file or something?
nubbins`: gpg and curl, at
the very least
ascii_field: and mircea_popescu will say 'bah, unreliable, you're driving up engineering cost 1000
times'
nubbins`: in fact, i can almost certainly have
this process be automatic
nubbins`: and is
thus useless for inclusion in a baked-in
nubbins`: my ip address will be fine
to use as a seed node, but it /may occasionally change/
ascii_field: one of
the few
things usg is reliably good at is making a particular ip unusable
ascii_field: turning an ip address into a critical constant in a field-deployed machine paints a big fat
target on
that ip for usg
ascii_field: so, what, we're expecting operators
to
throw out perfectly good boxes
to add a fucking seed node!?!
ascii_field: likewise physical delivery is expensive. (witness kakobrekla's attempt
to buy so much as one pogo and still have it 'feel disposable')
nubbins`: i
think a lot of it is genuinely overstock
too
ascii_field: (the vendor is selling a loss-leader, hoping
to attract chumps
to its 5/mo. 'cloud' crapolade)
ascii_field: right now some bezzlatronic idiot is paying
the difference
ascii_field: once
the
twentybux boxes run out (and i expect
that it will happen sooner rather
than later) prepare
to pay six
times more for each node.
ascii_field: i utterly understand
the desire
to 'tivoize'
these
things so
they don't get
turned into phoundation nodes by lamers. but
this can be done without idiot waste.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated << so, let's go into
this in detail.
they ship with all
the seed ips
they will ever have? for
the record i proclaim
this
to be retarded. -keys- are
the constants of our world, not ip addrs
ascii_field: danielpbarron: i'd like more specific info on how
to make my own u-boot << i have a u-boot built from official source.
the buildroot
thing -also- builds a u-boot, as a matter of course, but i have not yet
tested
that one
nubbins`: (who in
the fuck installs
the docs /first/?)
nubbins`: might be easier
than figuring out why
the docs won't install
nubbins`: you could remove install_docs from
that line if you wanted
nubbins`: here's
the Makefile from openssl
nubbins`: if you're only doing
the first step, ourlibs won't be fully populated
nubbins`: ourlibs is where
things get put as
they're compiled
danielpbarron: in my "ourlibs" directory, it looks like
there are only doc files
nubbins`: if you
try running a 64bit program on a 32bit os, you're gonna be sad
danielpbarron: oh also, should i be using
the patched for 32 auto.sh if my cpu is 64 but my OS is 32 ?
nubbins`: while docs generally aren't crucial, i wonder if
that stops some later process from happening
danielpbarron: on
the openssl part, it ends with
this: Makefile:640: recipe for
target 'install_docs' failed
nubbins`: ^ rabbit hole if anyone's into reading dead
trees
nubbins`: hey,
the best swordsmaster who ever lived was bested by a farmer with a quarterstaff
ben_vulpes: swinging sticks at each other in
the muddy courtyard
nubbins`: yeah, find is one
thing, build properly is another
danielpbarron: it seems
to find all
three of openss, boosts, and db
nubbins`: it'll be easier
to spot which builds fail
nubbins`: then comment out
that one, uncomment
the next, etc
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i've done
the same
thing
tho. i only had access
to 32bit windows for my gaming rig, and i have
to wipe
the entire
thing
to install a 64bit version.
nubbins`: it'll be a bit of a pain, but if you can comment out your auto.sh so
that it only builds one component
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron>
this is a different one
than
the one
that didn't have
the db_cxx.h <<< ah
danielpbarron: (which is what i have been doing up until
this point)
danielpbarron: this is a different one
than
the one
that didn't have
the db_cxx.h
ben_vulpes: you'll see
that if you run ./auto.sh more
than once, non?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron don't worry, you also put 64 bit on
the 32 bit arm.
danielpbarron: so i'm
the dummy
that didn't realize he had a 64 bit cpu and put 32 bit OS on it
nubbins`: haha actually sorry,
the pastebin i linked above has 1 error
danielpbarron: this is output when i use
the 0.5.3.1 release and
the patched for 32 auto.sh
danielpbarron: oh weird, it does exist in
there when i
try with
the prepatched 0.5.3.1
nubbins`: then run it, see what errors it
throws
nubbins`: comment out everything in auto.sh but
the chunk where it builds bdb
nubbins`: working backwards, next step is
to modify auto.sh
nubbins`: okay, so
that's why
that step can't find it :D
nubbins`: danielpbarron at
the risk of being silly, does db_cxx.h exist in /home/dpb/pogo/bitcoind/static.7th/ourlibs/include
danielpbarron: ...failed updating 1
target... <<
this happens when i use
the prepatched 0.5.3.1,
the looky loo outputs correct paths
danielpbarron: my adulterated pogo behaves strangly, sometimes it uses stock u-boot and sometimes it uses some
thing i flashed
to it, and i'm not sure why it changes
danielpbarron: i'm not sure what asciilifeform recommends for
this
danielpbarron: on a related note, i'd like more specific info on how
to make my own u-boot
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: (it croaks, having no meaningful rootfs, but
that's for
tomorrow)
mircea_popescu: moldavian count. famous pop singer of
the 20s. after which,
took up clay pigeon shooting, and became world champion 4ever.
nubbins`: instead of just mousing around
the login screen with no kbd input :D
nubbins`: mircea_popescu hey who knows, maybe
there'll be an osx build some
time
this summer
jurov: okay, but be sure
to implement faster deposits :>
danielpbarron: yeah, i
think i remember doing
that
the last
time i went
through all
this
jurov: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file <<
that's known issue on gentoo, you have
to add -I <bdb path>