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mircea_popescu: dja know that ancient joke that if you hear a hungarian speaking foreign languages you know he's a jew ?

mircea_popescu: they "create" the "environment" for "Government digital communications". ie, like nsa issues trump a smarthphone, sms issued my mother an email or w/e.

asciilifeform: nsa dun have a 'we need urgent gasenwagen!111' phone hotline afaik

asciilifeform: 'STS = roughly equivalent to a combination of the American NSA and NRO, the STS also manages the emergency number (112) dispatch centers' >> waiwat

mircea_popescu: i think it was a different one.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform transylvania, all of it, is the largest part of both the kingdom of hungary and the kingdom of romania. it was part of both for about equal intervals, and also independent for a while

asciilifeform: also cluj was for a time hungarian, i had nfi

asciilifeform: in other lollamatics, https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/08/with-friends-like-these-who-needs-enemies/ >> 'With Basescu’s personal and enthusiastic blessing, the FBI operates a field office in Bucharest with dozens of agents' etc

mircea_popescu: come to think i actually like this guy. asciilifeform see if he wants to join ? does he have a contact ?

mircea_popescu: "Therefore, it’s pretty obvious that a handful of Moldovan avitation enthusiasts were better informed and had a better grasp of the strategic situation than the entire Romanian government."

mircea_popescu: there was such a thing as a professional solider, let's put it this way. as a class.

mircea_popescu: it's complicated with a matter of relative sizes and holy roman provinces, but anyway.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 16:16 shinohai: Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html

asciilifeform: mega-song, there's even a ru

asciilifeform: but is there a ro ?

asciilifeform: oh hey is there a ro incarnation of the ubiqutous ww2 'song of the devil' ?

asciilifeform: and yes i pictured, unavoidably , a drum

mircea_popescu: "If you speak English and see the expression drum bun your mind conjures up a musical instrument for striking out rhythms combined with some kind of light bread style pastry and it makes NO SENSE." << bwahahaha

asciilifeform: which i ran across on a ww2 ro kick

asciilifeform: he had a page about the 'drum bun' army march

mircea_popescu: in a manner of slurping.

mircea_popescu: and in other wowz, check out felipelalli : https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/a-importancia-do-bitcoin-otc-wot/

shinohai: Thanks for advice. Fellow also has a Optiplex 3050 for sale.

phf: shinohai: i suspect you're paying a bit of premium for various audio junk on that mac box and the whole "production ready"

trinque: just a couple generations back intel mac

shinohai: Anyone here know if this might be a useful box? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/sys/d/mac-prox28ghz-8-cores-10gb/6352402994.html ☟︎

mircea_popescu: fax me a hallibut!

mircea_popescu: anyway. ~nobody has a rsa key.

asciilifeform: betcha a phuctor-flavoured www that invites idjit to 'insert privkey for inspection for weak' would get ~something~ in the basket at the end of the day

asciilifeform: in other reichlulz, 'Marlène Schiappa, France’s gender equality minister (yes, that’s a thing), has proposed putting forward a bill in parliament that would fine people for engaging in street harassment — including aggressive catcalls.'

a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads.

asciilifeform: they're what, a $1.

asciilifeform: it'd be part of any design where asciilifeform fills a cabinet with own hands and locks the door.

mircea_popescu: and pray for a transparent cabinet door and available fixed location and nobody placing a sticker in front of it ?

asciilifeform: you put it in a standard 1u box, wat.

mircea_popescu: not necessarily a bad idea, but afaik nobody put it into the floor design.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every once in a while, they beg/buy/borrow/steal something authored by actual people

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing

phf: it's such a toxic color scheme, you'd think somebody will notice.

mircea_popescu: "what was at that hacker club thing ?" "a bunch of idiots ?" "whence can you tell ?" "i painted my toenails utp style. everyone wanted to talk of me, nobody thought ot mention it."

asciilifeform: asciilifeform met a fella who claimed to have designed the nsa-usbjack boobytrap ( i did not believe him )

mircea_popescu: think like a phone.

asciilifeform: a GB/s no less

mircea_popescu: i suspect the pure switch you have in mind is a 1980s period item

asciilifeform: no this makes sense, but seems to describe a diddled router/fw, rather than switch

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ??

asciilifeform: btw phf your logtron mangles these, because variablewidthfont. readers should paste above item into a civilized terminal to read.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726715 << we were also making a lot of cow/herbivore jokes at the time. ☝︎

asciilifeform: thing is 'self-clocking', which is why you gotta set a baud rate, and they are standard )

asciilifeform: i'ma put a likbez in the l0gz, for fyootor folx : here's ordinary rs232, at ttl signal level, (noninverted), transmitting a 10000010 :

asciilifeform: relatedly, i very much wish that pc had a simple ( no stateful usb liquishit) ~synchronous~ port

asciilifeform: ( a shit rng that fools ent is much easier to build, even by accident, than same vs dieharder )

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.

asciilifeform: isolating ps for rackmounts, could easily be a product

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 ; b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 08:05 mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow

asciilifeform: i see it as worth something, to be able to immediately distinguish , e.g., a dead hdd, from a stolen hdd .

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726688 < it costs next-to-nothing and trigger when sees motion, which in a locking cage it should never by surprise ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726680 << i'd like a republican chair to sit in too!111 switch, however, if you want GB or above -- does require making own silicon if you want it to meaningfully differ from the extant items . fpga won't cut it clockwise. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( want non public? is what crypto is for, switch is not a trusted piece of equip )

asciilifeform: if you have a pair of racked boxes that gotta talk seeekritly to ~one another~, don't connect them via the switch, connect directly with crossover cable ( this is what the spare nics quality boxen ship with, are for )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ?? ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: "but i'm not even a vegetarian!"

mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow ☟︎

ben_vulpes: or figuratively, "blew a gasket"

mircea_popescu: this had the stove and the heater close together and so it made sense, if you got a leak it's there.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, see, the super-safe way is to have a detector by the burners that cuts the gas line if stimulated.

mircea_popescu: did i recount that event when nude girly at the stove farted and the gas detector immediately blew a fuse ?

ben_vulpes: however new residence has a "whole house fan", and so exhausting all interior gasses was a trivial exercise

ben_vulpes just had an exciting; apparently closed the flue a bit too soon/didn't give the fireplace enough time to self-extinguish and the co detectors went off

ben_vulpes: i think we've had a few threads in re creativity in the eastern empire

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:36 asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726582 << a) this is not factual. you manufacture power chord that only works or doesn't work, through eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724529 ; b) if your power chord came with special rsa analysis and also had a special "flash power when pgp is being used" switch, you'd get into manufacturing your own power chords in very short order. ☝︎☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust. ☝︎☟︎

mod6: anyway, have a good night :]

mod6: originals were taken with a much older version of ent than the new.

mod6: (just to see if I get a different value, or non-round value for X^2)

mod6: ima try using an ent on a different box against some of the runs that I did previously...

mod6: There's a bunch of in-depth information in this book, I highly suggest if examining these results.

ben_vulpes: but that one's also going to be taken, freenode is a very busy place

ben_vulpes: Guest29647: prepend with a slash, like /register zero

ben_vulpes: Guest29647: start by registering a nickname with nickserv

ben_vulpes: pick a different name? perhaps a phonetic version of your name?

asciilifeform: now ! mains quality ~logger~, with independent power source -- imho deserves a 1u in any tmsr cabinet.

asciilifeform: mod6: a civilized dc has massive central ups

mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently. << minus space for UPSs

BingoBoingo: Options for that are either have a hardware on the rack that aggregates ISP links to the DC and handles this shit, OR beat a jolo into sense.

asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 19:08 asciilifeform: the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times

asciilifeform: what a laugh it’d be - yank the thing and put in another, exhibit the boobytrapped piece publicly

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a different quote, from a tentacle of a satellite company of some sort, wants 5.3kusd just for 1G dedicated international connection

BingoBoingo: "The video shows countless unopened boxes full of ready-to-eat meals in a dumpster, presumably thrown away by Puerto Rican officials. The video was shot in Patillas, a city on the island’s southeastern coast." << Pantsuit has to pantsuit

BingoBoingo: It's a sorta garbage truck, related http://gotnews.com/breaking-puerto-rican-secretary-state-blows-whistle-hurricane-relief-fraud-finds-unopened-us-aid-dumpster/

BingoBoingo: Still doesn't hurt to put our stuff through a switch on the way to their switch

BingoBoingo has been doing a lot of switch reading while waiting for numbers, is interested in how ben_vulpes asks

a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 23:23 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.