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nubbins`: trinque for all you know i forked
the blockchain 2 years ago and am still shuffling my forked coins
mircea_popescu: "this
thing breaks iof
there's a bug found in gpg. or if we didn't implement signature checking correctly. or or or or"
mircea_popescu: in any case,
the "this
thing breaks if it runs out of power at any point after
the enemy (or more likely plain old rust) has destroyedall seed ips" proposition is better value
than
trinque goes
to find
the length of
the longest-ever fork
mircea_popescu: in general. not when you're signalling how
to get
the blockchain.
trinque: not "we
trust
this pastebin" or w/e
trinque: but if
they need some kind of signaling, signaling by blockchain is probably
the safest
trinque: anyhow I
think any remote control of any kind is bad, mkay
mircea_popescu: it breaks if you
turn it off && fort meade floats in
the air above your house.
nubbins`: nobody's gonna pay
ten cents for something
that breaks if you
turn it off
mircea_popescu: "dude
that zergling's broken" "mmkay" "aren't you going
to repair it ?" "wut ?! *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*"
mircea_popescu: this is hopw
the problem is solved in
this space : buy more units.
trinque: "fucking around behind
the
TV"
trinque: if
they're consumer
turds no ups
mircea_popescu: (im kinda nonplussed
that nobody even seems
to realise seed list is only interesting on boot and
these aren't intended
to ever reboot, really.)
nubbins`: i'm just also saying
that /new seeds can be published in
the future by
the .foundation, if
they want
to/
trinque: if you can't
trust a
txn
that's very old, uh
nubbins`: i'm suggesting shipping
them with a hardcoded seed list *just like you are*
trinque: if you wanted it
to connect
to other somethings later, either
the natural way or some means of signaling
trinque: obviously
the
thing has
to connect
to something first
nubbins`: <+trinque> what if
the seed list was encoded directly as
transactions? <<< how you gonna get
those
transactions?
nubbins`: THEN you only need
to worry about
the NSA intercepting
the shipments.
nubbins`: "feel free
to update
the seed list
that came w/ your device"
nubbins`: monthly state of bitcoin address, "check out
these sweet seed ips"
trinque: what if
the seed list was encoded directly as
transactions?
mircea_popescu: you're
trying
to jump a fence by crawling on your back.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if it's not narrower just make it
the seed list. bam back
to square one.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> right but you're adding a narrower version. << so "check
the usual places monthly", w/e
mircea_popescu: iirc you were asking for a complex update gpg signature
thing. not for a simple "move x
text file from /sda
to /sdb"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field seemed
to me you're asking for an entirely something erlse, but anyway
trinque: and yeah,
then somebody is a point of failure
trinque: an address sending
transactions which indicate hashes of updates
trinque: ascii_field:
that's what I proposed
nubbins`: (and
there, and
there, and
there...)
nubbins`: so deploy
them with magic ips and "check here monthly for updated seed list,
the walls have eyes, sam is in
the
trees, etc"
mircea_popescu: ft meade gets
to look like a kiddy pool i
took a piss in
ascii_field: 4) on day X
they
turn on
the mitm diddlamatic and do... something
ascii_field: 3) ages pass and we notice nothing.
they switch
theirs off when ours go off, etc. direct mitm
ascii_field: 2) usg redirects
them
to exact copies of our own boxes sitting in ft meade
mircea_popescu: because
they only exist halfway, like competent usg and able nsa ?
ascii_field: the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable
than
the damned pogos <<
they are not valuable because we can never prove
they exist
ascii_field: there is no mechanism for distinguishing a correctly operating node from one
that will be until day X
ascii_field: at any rate, -we won't know-
that it's pointing
to usg boxes emulating our nodes
mircea_popescu: dja see how
the fucking attacked ips are actually more valuable
than
the damned pogos ?
ascii_field: just for mircea_popescu's pleasure
they will do straight sinkhole
mircea_popescu: for
the cost of
this project, i wish
to see large scale ip diddling
ascii_field: they ddos
the magic ips - or worse, silently redirect
to own boxes
ascii_field: enemy can cost us K by spending J, where J is close
to nil and K is positive
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get
this. but we're dealing with a fundamental case of amplification attack.
mircea_popescu: it is not an item
to be loved, dreamed about, repaired,
tuned etc.
mircea_popescu: this is a consumer product, it works like a consumer product. once it stops working it gets
thrown out.
thestringpuller: ascii_field:
this seems more like battlebots
than junkyard wars. (Junkyard wars reminds me more of ed edd and eddie which was pretty much all junkyard hacking"
mircea_popescu: but anyway : forget argentina, and forget
the anecdotal peculiarities of my odd choices in
things.
ascii_field: so we're
thirdworld. or we wouldn't be playing junkyard wars.
mircea_popescu: fuck
the
third world with a spiked club. if it wasn't made by retards it wouldn't be
third.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 20bux + a man with a suitcase
to bring it
to you, if you're in ar
mircea_popescu: wtf people. srsly. if anyone WANTS
TO run a pogo
they can
ascii_field: they -will- be ddosed and sinkholed
to usg machines.
trinque: all
the
thing has
to do is hold
the line
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah
thought in
the shower
today
that giving an easy way
to dump other code into
the
thing later was a
terrible idea
mircea_popescu: but if you imagine
there's any room in
the spec of
this
thing for
the end user
to fiddle with it you're ourgiht nuts.
ascii_field: actually, i can see
them
trying
to convert'em
to 0.10 or what it was
mircea_popescu: there can not be a power ranger node
that can run on a pogo.
ascii_field: this still doesn't give us a license
to be retarded when making
these
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if i understand,
the meaning is
that
there is no phoundation node ?
nubbins`: i was about
to flash
the nand when i recalled a nebulous something about
this
ascii_field: and in case anyone needs
to be reminded, please don't use downloaded binaries for anything serious
nubbins`: brainfarted and
thought you mentioned smth about a uboot being in
there
mircea_popescu: "i wonder why
that doesn't work,
the allignm,ent was perfect!"