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mircea_popescu: and that's a hole that's there for thermodynamic reasons too. nobody made it.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem there : hole in the middle.
mircea_popescu: no alf. it's because fuck you, you want to spend fiddy bux.
asciilifeform: i consider it a 'this thing is made of bubblegum because fuck you, you're consumer meat' vector
asciilifeform: by executing code on your machine, or by knowing something about mapping of external world i/o to your ram
mircea_popescu: ecc is more general "leaky memory" thing.
mircea_popescu: mats these aren't really intended to be multiuser systems.
asciilifeform: mats: it is only an attack vector if you allow enemy means to hammer
mats: im under the impression that ecc doesn't mitigate the attack
asciilifeform: so it may be a 'if not you then who' situation.
mircea_popescu: either that or time will resolve.
asciilifeform: and i actually don't know of any system-on-chip that includes one
asciilifeform: need ecc ram controller then
mircea_popescu: moreover, there are fixes for the particular effect, buy rowhammer proof sticks.
nubbins`: as they discharge tear gas canisters point-blank into faces :0
nubbins`: mircea_popescu students were protesting funding cuts. in a couple of the photos, you can see police wearing stickers protesting... pension cuts.
asciilifeform: see, when i use memory, and put bits in, i expect to get them out later.
asciilifeform: (your intel not the other intel)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope and not sure that i would ask for ddr3
mircea_popescu: which is a better perk than whatever arm processor.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: no reason to marry marvell
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 15:36:51; nubbins`: lel, protestors have started doxxing the riot police
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076730 << what's the protest over ?
asciilifeform: most of the ones i've purchased and cut open thus far have very similar 8 to 16-bit wide sdram (ddr2 typically) - almost always 'hynix' or samsung
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 15:10:24; thestringpuller: I'm thinking of making a bot to determine uptime of other bots ;)
mircea_popescu: ram poverty in more than one way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, "this" being that my intel sucks!
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1076709 << then you explained it and she was all http://www.quickmeme.com/img/28/2811d1ad07d6a35d4acb0b245abaac396ffaa4c233cac0d55a7987ebfc8d425b.jpg
asciilifeform: hence the near inevitability of having these baked like grown men
asciilifeform: 'this' being the certain doom of pogo as off-the-shelf machine? yes, it is necessary to do something. main boojum is the ram-poverty of most available hardware in that weight class.
mircea_popescu: have been pondering if this pisses me off enough to do something about for a coupla months now.
asciilifeform: (it was pretty clear right off the bat that it's a loss-leader and ergo nonrenewableresource)
mircea_popescu: i suspect on the score of electronics you actually beat my ppls.
asciilifeform: perhaps by this time next year - i'll have a part number
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had been looking at this too.
asciilifeform: if someone has idle hands that can do a bit of digging - appreciated.
asciilifeform: anyway -it doesn't have to be a marvell-
Chillum: good to know that
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather see honest sexual slavery than this bs "random bad ideas" exploitation.
mircea_popescu: Chillum it's a horrible way to exploit kids, really.
mircea_popescu: (we asked for gribble here long ago, which is how it got to be here)
mircea_popescu: and it's not in -otc for the reason any bot is not in any channel : admin didn't ask for it.
asciilifeform: Chillum: and if you can't get those, new line of work
Chillum: sometimes they turn out to be good ideas
asciilifeform: Chillum: then you need new clients
Chillum: mircea_popescu: without the freedom to make mistakes you are forever under the tyranny of those who are "correct"
Chillum: frankly if I told my clients that they need to use an air-gap they would tell that it does not fit their business model. They would be right
mircea_popescu: but the freedom to make mistakes is a luxury not a freedom.
mircea_popescu: i can see that.
Chillum: freedom is the freedom to make mistakes. If people want to pay for something I will give it to them. I give free advice, it is rarely taken
mircea_popescu: you can not make more tho.
nubbins`: it's not like i don't contact Franmar when i want to find out where to buy bean-e-doo
Chillum: I have created some truly stupid shit for people
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i am not interested in vendors who need a sexual relationship just to source parts for prototype.
Chillum: mircea_popescu: they hire me as a developer, not a consultant
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see the case for this not being that commodified just yet. but imo unavoidable, with the trend towards it of which raspberry is just a reflection.
nubbins`: or w/e the fuck
asciilifeform: punkman: too heavy
mircea_popescu: another excellent case study, the ghetto butt lifts.
mircea_popescu: Chillum excellent case study in why "customer getting what it tihinks it wants" is no business plan.
asciilifeform: but that was just a hour's dig.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is my working hypothesis, marvell doesn't sell cut-tape
nubbins`: asciilifeform sort of the thing where you need a foot in the door before they'll even price it out for you
Chillum: then complained when it dropped to a penny
asciilifeform: 'marvell' per se doesn't turn up much either.
Chillum: we would get two customer who wanted their price to be 1 cent below everyone else and we tried to explain that since they are not the only person doing it that they would drop to a penny
asciilifeform was idly toying with determining what pogotron might actually cost to make in quantity
Chillum: using massive arrays of cloud computers to reprice books as fast as possible compared to the market
Chillum: I used to work for an Amazon company
mircea_popescu: o wait i forgot, 20mb won't be used, it just needs to be there to not be used. right right.
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> make a $100 node << 100 buys a pogo and a reasonable solid state sata <<< 64gb on the way, should get me through to the summer at least
nubbins`: Chillum goes to look on ebay <<< cheaper on amazon, almost certainly
Chillum: I have a lot of Pi 2s to setup right now. I will look into the pogos though
danielpbarron: i think 18 fit nicely in a crate
Chillum: they work better in little tribes
danielpbarron: it's unlikely i can ship it cheaper than amazon
Chillum: I am going to read up on them first. Thanks
trinque: I'll just get both going, probably just some eselect thing in gentoo right?
mircea_popescu: Chillum if you absolutely can't find one i'll ok you to get one from our warehouse at dpb
trinque: asciilifeform: ah ok, other than this I have pis
asciilifeform: arm is notoriously fragmented into incompatible turddoms
danielpbarron: i need to reformat my laptop.. AGAIN
asciilifeform: trinque: note that each such board is likely wanting its own gcc
trinque: asciilifeform: I've got enough arm turdboards lying around to justify it
asciilifeform: (buildroot demands nothing but your platform's native gcc and takes it from there until the bitter end, the actual armv5 images)
danielpbarron: i don't have a doc for 0.5.3.1 unless it counts to have one for the pre-release patching of 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: blkindex0016 almost full, which brings the following issue :
asciilifeform: trinque: by all means build cross-compiler for your system, but when i put the buildroot thing up it will carry its own
trinque: meanwhile I'll get cross compiling tooling going
trinque: what's the latest compile 0.5.3.1 for pogo doc, if any?
asciilifeform: i meant, in the machines
danielpbarron: it seems to freeze up more often
danielpbarron: my solid state sata is at 24 gigs, the 5400 rpm one is at 6.5 gigs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: old buggered mechanical satas aren't quite as nice, but certainly usable. the thing definitely sources sufficient amps for them
mircea_popescu: they suck for different reasons tho.
mircea_popescu: wp, which sucks, or else ben_vulpes' homeroll thing, which sucks.
trinque: danielpbarron: there's neutering wordpress or using some static site generator
mircea_popescu: but sure, if you're buying a new disk, takes you to 100ish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno anyone that doesn't have a "dead" old sata laying around.
trinque: god damn those were good logs