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mircea_popescu: literally across the plaza from the casa rosada.
mircea_popescu: o rly ? then this should be ok.
mircea_popescu: how did the timisoara one look from that pov ?
asciilifeform is accustomed to the chemically-pure gut-dissolving 100 percent u.s
mircea_popescu: it's a halfway world, right ? i hope you survive the indignity :)
chetty: argies use almost all cash, hotels are for touristas
asciilifeform thought only in usa was cash spat on this way
mircea_popescu: because, poor ex-billionaire mp doesn't know how to be a ex-billionaire correctly, like whatever frail us schmuck.
mircea_popescu: ima have to cart bricks of cash to the hotel nao. and i will.
mircea_popescu: "i don't use cc, and this will be paid in cash"
mircea_popescu: clerk is "all the guarantee we'll want is a cc"
asciilifeform: they think 'rich' means they walk in and spend 10**4 times the money and walk out with consumer box, but same overall dynamic
Chillum: they like Rolexes too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and there is truth to that, yes. but not just.
mircea_popescu: better than the volga!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: normally it is presented as 'poor ru schmucks haven't learned how to be correctly rich yet'
Chillum: They want a custom built auto, but they want it already made and waiting for them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from the other pov, because in the rest of the world this machine is part of bezzleworld.
asciilifeform: to explain, such a machine in the rest of the world is built custom - seat with the skin of favourite deceased pet jaguar, etc.
mircea_popescu: this because russians know enough to not have it any other way.
asciilifeform: speaking of 'luxury' and orcish misunderstanding of the concept, iirc ru has the world's only aston martin showroom where -folks actually buy and drive off-
asciilifeform: (which is 1/10th to 1/5th the cost of the Real Deal)
asciilifeform: and especially not if they had used actual ab initio fab instead of 'hard copy fpga'
mircea_popescu: well the reason they haven't is that wallet code is so damned bad.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if they merely collected and sat on the money, there could have been no question of covering fab costs
nubbins`: first out of the gate, they probably still haven't counted all their money
nubbins`: this is true
asciilifeform: nubbins`: interesting observation is that the 'friedcat algorithm' only worked because miners can be let secretly to sit and mine, amplifying the proceeds of that scam
nubbins`: mircea_popescu asicminer made *thousands* of btc selling those useless keychain miners
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, most people that survived a halon dump also heard the pov that "the machine just does that when it's displeased"
asciilifeform: electric (as in chair) typewriter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l, the proverbial nazi method of teaching typing
mircea_popescu: "this is your new computer ms. robinson. and to repeat our warning : if you misspell it will whip you."
Chillum: best case scenario would be to fail safe, instead of fail silently
asciilifeform: because it isn't turing-complete
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting thing is that if you confine the proof requirements to the consensus circuit, problem becomes actually manageable
mircea_popescu: isn't this more 90s sort of stuff ?
Chillum: not good for the ram though
Chillum: you can induce random failures in RAM for testing purposes with a hair dryer
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ yes, with the bonus that forks.
asciilifeform: for what << for spacecraft, but don't have the needed citation handy
mircea_popescu: (i save the "but provably ?" for later)
funkenstein_: does that describe bitcoin?
asciilifeform: it is the only pill (other than 'fits in head') against boojums like intel's fpu bug
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was actually done
mircea_popescu: "heterogenous cpus calculating same problem" seems to me like you maybe had too much of the good stuff.
asciilifeform: anyone have tlp's rolex article handy ?
asciilifeform: Chillum: reliable computing is somewhat more than parity calculations. ('voting' protocols, heterogeneous cpus calculating same problem, etc)
nubbins`: in a nice case too!
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> actual luxury doesn't take out ad space in GQ << this is really just a more benign and socially acceptable restatement of alf's meta-nsa thesis.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu a good example of this is when the nintendo wii came out, and researchers the world over started buying wiimotes for their labs
asciilifeform: nubbins`: see how this is a somewhat different market from 'mercedes'
Chillum: stripe that is
mircea_popescu: exactly along the lines described in "you're the kid not good enough to sling dope"
nubbins`: if this cpu flips a bit, burial at space
mircea_popescu: because car makers, like any software designers, are more than willing to externalise their costs
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, if there's some dubious / experimental stuff, it gets put into the luxury item
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the key of the article being, that if there's a genuinely "Better" anything, it will be in the mass market item, because the savings there are major. nobody is foregoing putting a GOOD something in an item that gets baked > 100mn units.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'luxury' isn't quite the concept i had in mind, but 'if this cpu flips a bit, kingdoms fall'
nubbins`: actual luxury doesn't take out ad space in GQ
nubbins`: well ya know. luxury branded as such is precisely marketed towards the aspirational
mircea_popescu: chetty tru that.
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asciilifeform: ;;google tandem nonstop
assbot: Masini bune si masini de lux pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10afm )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/masini-bune-si-masini-de-lux/ << me bashing the "better car is a luxury car" notion in 2010.
asciilifeform: !s tandem nonstop
chetty: mircea_popescu, to be fair it doesnt kill a running server, just keeps it from starting :P
asciilifeform: there -was- a time when 5mn meant that you get tandem, cosmicray-proof, etc.
asciilifeform: i think there are some fascinating surprises waiting for buyers of surplus 'boeing', 'lockheed', etc.
asciilifeform: it's either consumer 50 or else spend 5mn. exactly like wines. << mircea_popescu probably did not intend this double meaning, but it is EXACTLY like wines at this point. because the 5mn computer you can get today is not actually any but a cosmetic 'golden toilet' improvement over the 50.
mircea_popescu: WHO WROTE ALL THIS SOFTWARE OFMGWTFBBQ
mircea_popescu: <chetty> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. << this is me trying to alter eulora database. because you really want a mmorpg server that segfaults when game designers futz with game data.
asciilifeform: 'plug the correct end of a funnel.' (TM) (al schwartz)
asciilifeform: mats: if you treat 'rowhammering' as a statistical phenomenon, instead of allowing the enemy to induce arbitrary memory access patterns on the machine, it is considerably easier to deal with.
Chillum: I guess it would be a box at that size
Chillum: a bottle that big would be hard to carry
asciilifeform: as they shouldn't be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's put it this way. if i built a wallet, and put my x btc in it, no one would say 'this fella really means business'
Chillum: wine can cost more than $50???
mats: after some reinvestigation, SECDED ECC is not good enough to stop row hammering, because it can cause many bit flips. Halvar, et al found up to 25 flipped bits
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> it's either consumer 50 or else spend 5mn. exactly like wines. <<< exactly like *everything*. you'll mollify some rubes with "prosumer" but that's really just $50 with more chrome
mircea_popescu: "and if i find a ten foot tall transparent (not translucent!!!) woman, i might stick my penis into her
asciilifeform: and a proper auditable and tandem-cpu'd 'wallet' would cost more than anyone is willing to pay.
Chillum: but I think that would invalidate the contract
Chillum: yes, in theory it could change after it is checked though
mats: there's a checksum at the end of an address no?
asciilifeform: 'skin in the game' problem
mircea_popescu: we don't talk about that (tm)
Chillum: what if the error happens in your cpu or hard drive cache?
asciilifeform: anyway there is a reason i don't work on wallets
Chillum: I wonder if that would work on an address
mircea_popescu: Chillum that's why he's such an error correction fanboi.
mircea_popescu: no other consideration can beat the advantages of commonality i dun think.
asciilifeform: esp. the '90s collectibles you and i are fond of
Chillum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WcHsT97suU <-- due to cosmic rays you should always expect the possibility of a bit flipping at random in your memory
asciilifeform: i actually don't much like the rf-loudness of pc
mircea_popescu: of the most common, ordinary or typical kind.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine the wallet can ever be anything but pc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, if we're gedankenexperimenting about a mass-produced equivalent of 'pogo', then unreliable hardware can be rationalized, 'отряд не заметил потери бойца' (TM) - what's one flipped bit. if we're gedankening about a 'wallet' - whole other ball game