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asciilifeform: what i wanted to do was to build something suitable for reflashing into virginal pogos for dev work
asciilifeform: this one isn't as neat as it sounds. i thought BR_PACKAGE_UBOOT_TOOLS will add with fw_xxxxx on the target rootfs but seems like no. these will have to be added as packages
jurov: hahaha so the husqvarna joke works well
mircea_popescu: if placebo works, get paid. if it doesn't... "some DARKER force than my powers..."
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me... don't these dating speshulists sound very much like the classical shaman ? "you are under a terrible dark curse kind sir" "i will fix it".
mircea_popescu: it's better yield than spam, that's for sure.
mircea_popescu: what you do is, you look for zombies. all it takes is a good archive of vulns and a working grep. then you take your chances.
mircea_popescu: you don't have to be a genius and read machine code to find new holes. that's for alfs.
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 16:19:20; Chillum: hint: look at past reoccurring vulnerabilities that have been fixed and keep coming back
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078784 << this is actually exactly how a living is earned in this space.
asciilifeform circa '80s but does not object to this
mircea_popescu: something the imbecillians (is it ok if i refer to people born in the 80s as the imbecillians, given the poor results discussed yest ? generation y seems improper) all forgot.
mircea_popescu: it does speak of the ancient and great power of the irc, tho.
mircea_popescu: Chillum ah yes, that. but this wouldn't really be a browser anyway.
Chillum: javascript can induce a browser to send a post that tricks the router into thinking it is that
Chillum: some routers automatically open a port when they see a DCC command on sent from an internal computer on an IRC port
asciilifeform: the traditional bitcoind (see code) asked a peer to attempt connect-back on 8333
Chillum: you can open ports on a lot of routers by using ajax to make a http post that looks like IRC commands
asciilifeform: because it needs to know when it must attempt upnp and when not
asciilifeform: thing is, this is a little more complicated than appears
asciilifeform: you know, that one
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 15:59:56; Chillum: I don't trust pdfs, so many vulnerabilities in the past
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078769 << check it out ? neither do we. ongoing bitchfest about "pls to convert" scattered in logs.
asciilifeform: at least in the civilian version
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i know, i was just amused at ther possible solutions :D
asciilifeform: incidentally, the upnp demon will need to be thrown in
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 15:48:55; asciilifeform: did we ever get anywhere in the ntp-or-not debate ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: many folks use mac addrs in routing tables
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 15:45:38; asciilifeform: otherwise all pogos will have the same one (it is not stored in any kind of nonvolatile memory)
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 11:21:32; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078206 yes, that was the joke :)
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078726 << til jurov has a favourite... chainsaw ?!
mircea_popescu: trinque ERROR: unknown (Most likely my bitcoind stopped working or this page is too large/complex.) < ?
Chillum: it would be a way to go
asciilifeform: Chillum: if so, why not stick to the considerably less dysfunctional ssh ?
asciilifeform: Chillum: i take it you are the only one accessing the systems in question ?
Chillum: you don't have to put verisign at the top
chetty: <Chillum> the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk// for some reason when I read that I wondered if anyone would trust a cert issued by Obama? If not why would you accept one from any 'lesser' authority in the same chain?
Chillum: the whole hierarchy of trust used to issue certs is of course bunk
asciilifeform: the actual crypto is buried at the far bottom of a deep, deep tank of liquid shit.
Chillum: if you take out key management and such, how do you feel about the actual crypto?
Chillum: what about TLS?
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asciilifeform: it is rather like pointing to a grain of sand in a turd, and advocating shit as a construction material because 'that grain is solid'
jurov: ssl spec is too complicated, hence inevitably buggy implementations
Chillum: until quantum computers are a thing
Chillum: okay, gub'mint backdoor then
asciilifeform: Chillum: i'm not certain that any of the #b-a regulars believe it to have been a bug.
asciilifeform: <Chillum> Routers are a sad state of affair. Something like 70% of consumer wifi routers in the wild are vulnerable to heartbleed << and a fella who knows this, is still fond of ssl ? amazing
nubbins`: <+Chillum> If I told everyone it would get patched <<< lel
Chillum: there is always another turd around the corner, it is the circle of life
jurov: will get replaces with just different turd
Chillum: erase the eprom
Chillum: I sort of want to make a portable rasp-pi that automatically roots and then secures wifi routers, as a public service
jurov: czechs took the router problem to their own hands: https://www.turris.cz/en/
Chillum: just based off what I have seen in the wild around here
mats: thats not true at all
jurov: that's why nerds should maintain them themselves, and i don't mean reflash openwrt and forget
Chillum: most run arch linux under the hood, often about 10 years old
mats: buy an edgerouter lite and tell your isp to send you a plain ol modem
Chillum: it is the linux box that nobody upgrades!
Chillum: Routers are a sad state of affair. Something like 70% of consumer wifi routers in the wild are vulnerable to heartbleed
punkman: I looked into something that'd replace my modem/router but it seems I'll have to build a mini-itx or something
Chillum designs a router that fights back!
Chillum: hacking routers is good practice. They don't fight back
Chillum: hint: look at past reoccurring vulnerabilities that have been fixed and keep coming back
Chillum: If I told everyone it would get patched
Chillum: much harder though
Chillum: openwrt can be rooted too, particularly from the internal network
jurov: why so few nerds set up their own linux router?
Chillum: they can go from your malware friendly computer, root your router and live there between you and the internet
Chillum: I have a live cd and a laptop with no other storage I use for such things
asciilifeform: Chillum: if you own a machine used specifically for executing malware, very convenient for this purpose.
Chillum: not on this computer at least ;)
Chillum: I don't trust pdfs, so many vulnerabilities in the past
asciilifeform: but the result is that the machine time is epoch 0 on boot.
asciilifeform: did we ever get anywhere in the ntp-or-not debate ?
asciilifeform: rather than a mega-turd each, if diffing from a virginal buildroot
asciilifeform: i will suggest that all subsequent patches for buildroot per se, be published as diffs from the one i posted last night
asciilifeform: otherwise all pogos will have the same one (it is not stored in any kind of nonvolatile memory)
asciilifeform: also need to set mac address of the nic
asciilifeform: vgaarb is enabled (there is no vga, naturally) - missed this in the cleanup
asciilifeform: found a few other minor omissions in the build
nubbins`: gonna cave and set up a gentoo install on usb stick here later today
asciilifeform: nubbins`: all stored in BR2_DL_DIR << we got this last night, yes
Chillum goes to make coffee
Chillum: well it is technically morning here
nubbins`: although technically afternoon here
nubbins`: "The various tarballs that are downloaded by Buildroot are all stored in BR2_DL_DIR, which by default is the dl directory. If you want to keep a complete version of Buildroot which is known to be working with the associated tarballs, you can make a copy of this directory. This will allow you to regenerate the toolchain and the target filesystem with exactly the same versions."
nubbins`: re: freezing buildroot config in time
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 00:34:21; mod6: <+jurov> my mom was using "husqvarna" << they make my favorite chainsaws / best chainsaws imho
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078206 yes, that was the joke :) ☝︎
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mircea_popescu: oddly, no tits.
mircea_popescu: uh. what's this, aro rip of aws ?!
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