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asciilifeform: ^ to a muppet, any deviation from his muppetology is a schizo paroxysm of irrational
trinque: ah that makes it very clear.
asciilifeform: to the point of commissioning $maxint cpu archs that pretend to do it
mircea_popescu: as if that's what happened, i was sitting on an exercise ball one day and spontaneously decided hey, let me make a political party and pick bones!
asciilifeform: for those who don't follow the antics of lunatics: usg is -obsessed- with domain segregation
mircea_popescu: that's what the jwz dood quite typically told me : that he "doesn't care about whatever political bone i have toi pick"
asciilifeform: unix perms are the proverbial 'pissing-section in swimming pool'
mircea_popescu: and they do wish to tell themselves that they can ever work on "something else"
mircea_popescu: that reason is that intelligent people do not wish to spend their time working on idiocy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually it is the dirty secret behind 40 yrs of unix
mircea_popescu: that's the dirty secret behind 20 years of "linux"
asciilifeform: but overall, folks who unrepentantly spout nonsense about one thing, damage their credibility re: other things.
trinque: this seems to be why openbsd just has chroot, bsd has fancy jails or whatever, and now linux has Containerz (TM)
asciilifeform: it isn't just 'voodoo taint' from nsa.
mats: i dunno about that second part, but in general i agree with you
asciilifeform: and even further discouraging genuine audit, as if this were possible or even necessary
asciilifeform: as if this did something tangible beyond making it even -less- fit-in-head.
asciilifeform: mats: selinux and similar are exemplary of usg approach to 'seek00r1ty' - add layers of 'granular' bureaucracy to the os
asciilifeform: mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. ☟︎
trinque: cept those here and a handful of clever meatspace guys
asciilifeform: mats: grsec >> but the sheer nonsensicalness of pretending that kernel can limit what kernel can do. consider this claim: 'Through PaX's UDEREF and KERNEXEC features, grsecurity forces any userland data access to go through an approved accessor and rejects any attempt to execute userland code in kernel context.'
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 13:34:48; lobbes: I posted obamaz magic decree to my facebook. Quite expectedly, no one cares.
asciilifeform: but not merely the fact of.
trinque: seems also that within that complexity you could hide nefarious things
trinque: in my case it seems like a vast, complex surface to deal with
trinque: hardened here just means having things like stack protection turned on
asciilifeform: i invoke mircea_popescu's maxim that 'if there is anything good in it, it will have to be reinvented naively'
trinque: wondering what's different about the debian
asciilifeform: because your dump is quite the same as mine
trinque: no, saying I don't know why that would be relevant
trinque: dunno why that would magically poof in a header defining that type
trinque: asciilifeform: do you use a hardened toolchain?
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, precisely what happens to the published (without weirdo patches) release on my boxes.
trinque: have not made any attempt to fix it yet; have to attend to something else first
asciilifeform: incidentally, did anyone read the 'buffoon's tale' link ?
mircea_popescu: well that.
asciilifeform: as in the weirdo crown monopolies.
asciilifeform: unless a patent is so poorly constructed as to be thrown out immediately, any patent litigation in usaworld is a contest of bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: not all of them.
asciilifeform: anyway patents are a passenger on the burning atomic dirigible of usg
trinque: the standards for "novel" seem trivial
trinque: this prior art thing if it actually worked would burn like a grease fire through 99.9% of software patents
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except that usg owns the patents (war trophies!)
mircea_popescu: you may end up controlling that space
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that if you spend some time now designing and patenting gasenwagens
trinque: prior art from the dawn of computing type patents
trinque: I've seen insane, *insane* cases in the hospitality software space
trinque: til there's an even lower tier of "valid" patents
asciilifeform: contrary to popular belief
asciilifeform: trinque: you need at least a basic troll-grade patent for that
trinque: sure that and dragging every entity smaller than a billion plus in revenue into court to die by starvation
asciilifeform: as in, the only thing they are good for is office decoration
asciilifeform: at uspto these are called 'wall hanger patents'
assbot: The Project Gutenberg eBook of Tales of Space and Time, by H. G. Wells ... ( http://bit.ly/1BViSAK )
trinque: the twist was "synchronizing the data between multiple terminals
mircea_popescu: stuff that was ridiculous to patent in 1850, such as "how to make bread" definitely meets the bar today.
trinque: there's a patent on having a database of products and modifiers which dates to 2000s sometime
mircea_popescu: and as peole stupidify, more and more tyhings will be.
asciilifeform: it boggles my mind that aslr could be patented
nubbins`: iirc there's an hg wells story about the guy who invented the stone axe.
mats: he also went on to write the Control Flow Guard code.
asciilifeform: mats: how about the guy who patented the stone axe ?
mats: fun fact: i played starcraft with the guy that patented ASLR.
asciilifeform: aslr is sorta like building a labyrinth in your house to slow burglars
asciilifeform: mats: as in, 'why is the enemy supplying instructions for your cpu to execute in the first place'
asciilifeform: mats: is it just me or do 'aslr' and related items give a feeling of 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel' ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform then a couple thou years from now you've got people taking guesses as to the True Name of mrc ppsc
asciilifeform: like the semitic langs
nubbins`: don't think, just type
nubbins`: quick: what's the word for the people who live in the houses around you
trinque: he's referring to your dirty communist spelling of "color"
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jCUBrdF <<< man i got really skinny after two weeks of diarrhoea
asciilifeform: anyway, for the record, my experiment concerned the question of how to create a mapping between a source tree and sections of resulting bin
asciilifeform: then train'em to do it with love.
mircea_popescu: you know asciilifeform, i don't hate them. i love them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu said that pets can be trained to do anything - make them do this.
nubbins`: meat for dinner tonight
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963987#msg10963987 <<< the winning bid
hanbot: mircea_popescu hello sir! no cuy at all i tell you!
asciilifeform: does anyone have an output of the latest release build
nubbins`: oh man, that was the year i burned my hand! you can see the scar
nubbins`: young nubs in the amazon: http://imgur.com/gl4vfmS
nubbins`: i don't think i have debug symbols built in. easy way to check?
nubbins`: saw this on a wall in a "love park" in lima, stays with me: http://imgur.com/2smAiq6
trinque: yeah, I tend to encounter it via greek food
nubbins` has admittedly made "lamburger helper" more than once :(
mircea_popescu: are they any good ?
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O << my butcher sells llamaburgers
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O
nubbins`: was told it's too much work for the amount of meat
asciilifeform: it was always no. 1 in my 'travel to south americas' mental list
nubbins`: cuy? never tried.
nubbins`: so i can't really say if it's actually as tender as it seemed
nubbins`: while i'll advance that it was "good", peruvian standard is to beat any steak with a maul before grilling
nubbins`: tried alpaca meat, never tried llama
asciilifeform: 'The one L lama, he's a priest The two L llama, he's a beast ...'
nubbins`: parts of colombia do this too
mircea_popescu: that's the fuck they do here.
nubbins`: if i wanted to be refined, i'd decompose under pressure into hydrocarbons!
nubbins`: unless you replace the two L's with a J