asciilifeform: always did the 'let's give it a day or 3' thing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr i've never 1nce resorted to spoon-feeding my noad
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what was result when you tried ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: will try in 20min or so (currently hands fulla crud)
asciilifeform: ( it's either that or there's a 3000km spool randomly sitting in brazil , that it goes through !! )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i'm quite certain presently that you're right, and the packets from south a. go through north a. always. simply based on delay measurements to date.
asciilifeform: ( usg's nsa has an ancient charter, nominally still in effect, where somehow 'not spy inside usa'. but this is made into joke, instead route packet via britain, where identical branch office w/ same bugs )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: sometimes this reaches 'comedy' level, i.e. you're connecting from washington to new york and it goes -- evidently -- through london
asciilifeform: the (consistent) delays you can measure with own hands, are quite revealing of the actual physical topology.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: correct. in usa there are a great number of 'televison'-flavoured nominally ip-based services, and they mostly do not use the actual net at all, but instead connect to a cabinet in the isp's local house.
asciilifeform: when you get out of the reich space, it begins to very much matter where you are vis-a-vis your peer.
asciilifeform: the 'flat topology' of the net is largely an illusion.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: isps in the nato reich seem 'fast' , but only for so long as the connecting peer is also in the reich. connectivity to the free world is rather more limited.
asciilifeform: real pipe is quite expensive. at e.g. piz it is substantial % of the operating cost.
asciilifeform: net connectivity only seems cheap because residential isp 'oversell' their capacity.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trying to get trb box for 20 is rather like trying to get luxury automobile for 1000
asciilifeform: girlattorney: it is difficult to get anything for so little. in some parts of europistan, e.g. romania, residential (claimed) GB fiber goes for ~10/mo, but industrial rack slot with guaranteed mains current and bandwidth still closer, last i knew, to that 100 figure
asciilifeform: in most places, a trb-grade box leases for equiv. of maybe 100 $ (usa) .
asciilifeform: girlattorney: diana_coman lives here + in her chan #ossasepia .
asciilifeform: girlattorney: re colo -- talk with diana_coman , who has been surveying various colos. ( piz is pretty packed in re trb, has no fewer than 3 operating nodes . and really these benefit from being dispersed geographically, rather than concentrated in 1-2 cages ! )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: usg takes the 'rats in a barrel' approach to ipv4, they hog 80+% of the ip space and wait for the remaining people to choke from crowding and eventually submit to centralized control
asciilifeform: girlattorney: the washingtonization of the net was 'soft-pedalled' so that the few actually independent kingdoms , e.g. ru, would allow their indigenous nets (e.g. 'fido') to fully decay and fall apart
asciilifeform: ( evidently, as you can see, not too thick to propagate blocks in something like realtime. presently. )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: the major weak point is propagation from miners, who are living in own parallel chinese universe and between whom and trb there is a thick layer of garbage.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: most folks who know how to operate trb, have at least 1 public and some # of unadvertised nodes.
asciilifeform: and if running with default config they are invisible to the heathen 'node list' www's.
asciilifeform: the more properly working trb nodes there are -- the less payoff to anyone for monkeying with their connectivity. at present in fact i do not know how many there are. not erryone bothers to advertise .
asciilifeform: can 'fool ~some~ of the people ~some~ of the time' indeed
asciilifeform: girlattorney: bitcoin net presently ~worx simply because 'impossible to fool ~all~ of the people ~all~ of the time'(tm)(r) via ip hijinks
asciilifeform: girlattorney: observe that there is no attempt at authenticating peers in the existing trb. you could easily be connecting to washington's node when thinking yer connecting to e.g. mp_en_viaje's. at one time i published an experimental patch where can route to people you personally know via ssh pipes, but currently not in use anywhere afaik.
asciilifeform: most of what sits around claiming to be btc node, is really 'pressed-sawdust' simulacra.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: as you have found now to own satisfaction, w/out having to take asciilifeform's word for it -- the actual # of ~working~ (i.e. stores and serves the entire chain) public nodes on the net, is very very small.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: before you do, plz clarify, 'left unsynced' means it in fact sat all summer trying to sync and never did?! or switched off ?
asciilifeform: girlattorney: were you able to make your trb node ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: dun fughet to put bot & reader in cron, '@reboot ...' etc
asciilifeform: at some pt we will have to think of a way to mechanize these.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how didja fill in the lines ? /raw/ and by hand ?
asciilifeform: so thereby could actually make it so that the diff bots live at any given time on diff ones
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe btw that the bot config allows to put ~list~ of fleanode endpoints. so it is not necessary to use the default rotation dnsism, can in fact do like mp_en_viaje does and put list of favourites
asciilifeform: ~nao~ and only nao we finally have proper logging!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932215 << that comp case, btw, may have been an inept clone of 1 of my current ones, where ps goes in bottom and ~intake~ fan sucks cold air through filter in the bottom panel. but the orcs did not bother evidently to think about why, and... decided to put ~hot~ end there !
asciilifeform distinctly recalls a thread where asciilifeform was unable to try some heathen proggy because 'the correct' tcl would not build in his gentoo. but sadly cannot find in o(1)..
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma cycle the dumper manually . go and load the 'raw dump link' in 30s or so. (and if anyone speaks between now and when you import it, can fill the hole with the raw export knob and eater.py )
asciilifeform: btw i have found that the banners spill the screen on some exotic browsers ( crapple's, in particular ) but did not bother yet to try and fix somehow
asciilifeform: re banners , i expected that folx will want to put own , rather than use mine. ( plus there's no practical way to put any such thing in a v genesis ) so i omitted'em
