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assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:16:41; nubbins`: so maybe we can start there
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084315 << you're more than welcome to play with an emulator if you wish to broaden your horizon, but it is broadly inadequate for what we're trying to do here.
Adlai: BingoBoingo: no, the best part: McSwagger was awakened from a deep sleep by his pager, only to find out that he was being called by his own nurse, apparently because he needed something for sleep
asciilifeform: i still miss that thing.
mircea_popescu: then again if THAT didn't work it wouldn't surprise me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once seriously toyed with the idea of building with borland cpp 3
mircea_popescu: but yes, the execration has occured to me a number of times.
mircea_popescu: well how the fuck was i to know a year later ima be all the way up in thompsoncpp
mircea_popescu: i didn't take any across the ocean ;/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be so kind as to try the build on one of your debians ?
asciilifeform consults table
BingoBoingo: “It was all very surreal. The nurse told me my patient had arrived on the ward. I told her I was the patient. She apparently thought I was making an existential statement and replied ‘aren’t we all just the sum of our patients and our patience’. I know, it doesn’t make any sense to me either now, but at the time it was profound, because, you know, dilaudid. “
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware that was on deb sarge.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:09:47; mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084286 << this is a correct approach, the problem seems to be however that compilers don't work properly.
asciilifeform: which includes a type not defined in the src.
asciilifeform: and turned out that it has a lying gcc
asciilifeform: besides we had someone try specifically it - ben_vulpes ?
mircea_popescu: i think you should STILL be able to yes.
mircea_popescu: you're fighting shit with a taller tower. of shit.
asciilifeform: now this'd be for -builds-
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the ... spherical chicken appeal.
Cogburn: thank, you but you need not keep voicing me. I'll consider the invitation for the WoT. Glad to clear some things up. Have a great night.
mircea_popescu: emulators are seriously a very bad idea for this.
asciilifeform: (see rest of thread)
asciilifeform: with instruction set such-and-such, this much ram, etc.
asciilifeform: it being, what folks do in school. emulate a machine that is described on half a sheet of paper
mircea_popescu: what, "posix" ? that's not a thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or the other thing i suggested
mircea_popescu: conceivably this will come down to "use so and so, version no later than X, and you will have to either not use sound or use one of these sound cards"
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:06:28; asciilifeform: nor should nubbins`, or ben_vulpes, or the rest.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084266 << i don't think this will work.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:45; thestringpuller: no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance
asciilifeform: iirc written no later than '97
mircea_popescu: myeah. meanwhile that problem took care of itself.
mircea_popescu: ( ) Extreme profitability of spam << i take it this was 2000ish ?
asciilifeform: even if there is a universe full of falsehood. as pointed out, stupidity cuts into equivalence classes.
asciilifeform: jjust like spamsolutions.txt is not a textbook
asciilifeform: https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << based possibly on this. or in essay form
asciilifeform: incidentally, one idea for writersey folks - taxonomy of the meaningfully-different forms of bad crypto.
mircea_popescu: kinda why you'd expect governments to do better than they are, really.
asciilifeform: it is rare to see an entirely novel stupid invented.
mircea_popescu: people are generally stupid in the same ways.
asciilifeform: aha. they even had own 'spamcoins' (using - now, long-dead - centralized spam-money services)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those forums... sorta tardstalk before the bitcoin.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:27:23; nubbins`: wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084204 << if you recall, that was taken off because that's how sa owned the forum back during mtgox 1 cent days
asciilifeform: sorta the same feeling i used to get when i was a regular reader of 'secret' forums for spammers
asciilifeform: on the flip side, it gives an almost p.t. barnum-esque air of loud, profanely farting cynical hucksterism. nostalgic.
mircea_popescu: if mit grads anything to go by.
asciilifeform: it's one thing to pitch 'proof that 1=2' to third-grade children, another - to maths grad students
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's targeted at folks who think the usg is a good idea and windows an operating system.
asciilifeform: because, possibly, the flavour of being targeted at folks who go in for cryptological maths, rather than garden-variety schmucks
asciilifeform: i haven't seen anything as insulting to the intelligence of the reader as 'voltage security co.' in many years.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:06:45; asciilifeform: What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else
asciilifeform: 'scheme for relieving idiots of their...'
mircea_popescu: gotta spend that "seed money" somehow.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you're right - this service existing is sufficient prooof what it's serving isn't crypto.
asciilifeform: but the asymmetry is required for honest crypto. i.e. if mr luser can determine a privkey to go with luser@luserdom.com than so can you and i
mircea_popescu: prolly the bruteforce approach doesn't deliver 100%.
mircea_popescu: drive them out of market.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean for srs. this could actually be done correctly
mircea_popescu: lol how is this encryption
asciilifeform: then they live happily ever after
asciilifeform: by virtue of the hash being malleable
asciilifeform: 2) usg generates a private key to 'go with' the public
mircea_popescu: any random string being hashable, any random string could be used as a pubkey, in principle. may take some work to mine a usable privkey to go with it, but...
mircea_popescu: not that the idea is without merit.
mircea_popescu: ah one of those. mkay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since it isn't an actual cryptosystem, you will never -see- it. instead, the bank account of that clown and his university 'sees' the royalties from idiot usg affiliates proclaiming to 'use' it.
cazalla: <Cogburn> Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you <<< not people, your friend from coinwhatever website
mircea_popescu: how does it even work, you hash the "public key" and then multiply it with something ? sorta halfass rsa ?
cazalla: danielpbarron, ty
asciilifeform: as in, fed to unsuspecting bipedal cattle
danielpbarron: cazalla, Patch.com reports the arrest of a Massachusetts man who sort to purchase a firearm << should be "sought to purchase" ?
mircea_popescu: where is this thing used by millions ?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084140 << magically, i have never seen any of this irl
Cogburn: Okay. I did not ever think that bitcoin would outperform BH.
Cogburn: I apparently did an interview with a blogger antagonistic to you and I wanted to clarify any guilt by association
asciilifeform: Cogburn: so was it the beard ? or an actual position ?
Cogburn: Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not)
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone ever got rms' new autoreply ? the one where he goes "i'm on a 48 hour delay like mpex" ?
asciilifeform: am i talking to a perl script ?
asciilifeform: Cogburn: are you able to describe even one of the concepts you agree or disagree with mircea_popescu about? or do you just dislike his beard ?
mircea_popescu: dude who the hell raped the logs.
asciilifeform: if i say that i -disagree- with dijkstra - then i do not believe these things.
asciilifeform: let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired.
Cogburn: Dunno. Not my problem. I know he has one. I know he's passionate about it. That's what I think is important. The rest is how history will remember our efforts.
asciilifeform: Cogburn: and which 'way' is that ?
Cogburn: It's a tool that provides an opportunity to do something truly different with the world. To take advantage, we must be different.
Cogburn: I think those of us who get this blockchain bitcoin magic internet money bullshit have the opportunity to demonstrate and lead by example. Quite frankly IDGAF if MP is crazy or I disagree. I think he's doing it right. I think he knows he's doing it right, too :)
trinque: many ways, probably. but I think it's naive to think that transition happens all nice and easy like
danielpbarron: slavery isn't the problem with the current state of affairs; it's this mentality of "i should get to eat while also talking back to my master" that has to go
trinque: now, how do you demonstrate that there's a different way of being, defining the world, etc
Cogburn: I think you're right.
trinque: I think ultimately people will choose whatever gives them the best life, and the sad current condition is that this is what they've chosen, because this is all they can see.
Cogburn: I appreciate some people just don't want to deal with some shit. That doesn't make them bad.
danielpbarron: or starving to death in the wilderness