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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're willing to live with a woman, free. you have to find her.
mircea_popescu: damned engineers and their insatiable hunger for rube goldberg items
asciilifeform: (example: what is the cost of inhabiting a free-standing building with mains current, temperature control, and good fiber net? free-standing at least to the extent that you can't hear screaming children, smell neighbours' shit, etc)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: almost invariably i find that something important is -not- cheap in such places where the food is cheap... but more power to you if you discover exception
mircea_popescu: eh, let the man have his fil of teh us, he's young.
gabriel_laddel: not that one /must/ do this, just an option
gabriel_laddel: My point is that food and rent are cheap if you go to the correct place. Also, if you're betting on btc taking over the world, bet on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you can't find cunt in argentina the problem is deeper than the sea.
mircea_popescu: (milanesa = breaded thin steaks, i dunno what you'd call it, snitzel ?)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: first launch satellite and persuade someone to peer net access to it, for you
gabriel_laddel: whaack: see the above logs
mircea_popescu: you'd have to be insane to do that. you can buy pre-made "milanesas", cook them yourself, runs you a dollar a day or some shit.
gabriel_laddel: Move to argentina, purchase pallets of rice + lots of steak. Code.
asciilifeform: not in the customary 'keep showing up, you keep eating, hell or high water' terms
mircea_popescu: not in the same terms, at least.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can't speak for the fella, but i suspect that he is looking for a btc substitute for his day job. which is not likely to exist.
assbot: Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKFIa )
gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto) ☟︎
assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKD30 )
gabriel_laddel: whaack: there are a few obvious ways to make btc atm
asciilifeform: for that side.
mircea_popescu: well for that side. yes.
asciilifeform: the one saving grace is that i'm fairly certain we can shed libnss entirely from this project
mircea_popescu: myeah. heard it twice this month.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my preliminary investigations, was not able to come up with a reasonable picture of what it'd take. similar to my vast underestimation of what it'd take to hammer bitcoind into sanity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's outrageous, but hey. can you evaluate the time needeed to patch libnss into behaving correctly ?
asciilifeform: if they use cpp at all, it is as a cautious 'c with classes'
asciilifeform: folks who grow up outside of the winshitsphere tend to not do that.
asciilifeform: i actually knew as much when first learned that bitcoin was heavy on the cppisms.
asciilifeform: yeah - them.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:27:21; asciilifeform: when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat'
mircea_popescu: i cant find the link in recent log
mircea_popescu: because, asciilifeform, the unpleasant fact of the matter is, satoshi was one of those.
asciilifeform: punkman: my preliminary experiments point to the db.
asciilifeform: punkman: that code is not executing in my tests.
asciilifeform: punkman: again in the wallet mechanism only.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the whole thing reeks of ms
punkman: asciilifeform: there's also a SecureString thing in there
asciilifeform: whaack: nyc is in the broad class of chumpatrons where the workers let virtually their entire post-tax pay go to the real-estate hucksters
whaack: and I'm actually planning on spending the summer in SF to check it out, I'm still in school taking a year off of MIT
whaack: asciilifeform: I'm actually in NYC, my job is just under the category of a "valley" job
asciilifeform: 'taste the meat but not the heat'
mircea_popescu: maybe he likes the heat.
asciilifeform: whaack: at least get out of the deepest circle of hell. nowhere is it written that a programmer must live in sf valley.
asciilifeform: punkman: not related to the privkey mechanisms (they are not active in my test rig.)
punkman: valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind << I'm guessing it's that custom allocator for some privkey data types
mircea_popescu: many people in the history of the world did a job that stank. eventually either the stench kills you or you make enough to no longer need it.
asciilifeform: whaack: let me know if you learn the answer to this one. it eludes me.
mircea_popescu: a number of people here are doing the same.
whaack: ty, I've reached a point in my life where I can't stand working for VC money anymore. But I have an issue where I don't know of a better way to get bitcoins faster than milk a SF dev valley job and buy them with fiat. I've come for guidance on the issue
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got the letter, yes.
mircea_popescu: you're the first to publicly declare this ancient secret.
asciilifeform: i can say with some confidence that there are leaks which -do not pertain to the bastardnodes mechanism- !
mircea_popescu: so no, you're not the only to have run it in anger.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, chetty, et al: in yet another - arguably inverted! - manifestation of The Problem, it appears that valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind!-
chetty: well seems I am in good company with this one anyway :)
chetty: I got as far as having it claim it built a static, but then it really wasn't and wouldn't run without the libs
chetty: nope there is more, dont know what all, had to step away and work on other parts of it
asciilifeform: chetty: so it was not only opengl that was the barrier to static link ?
mircea_popescu: first we make the thing gpg.
chetty: well after nextrelease I will go take the crowbar to it again ---
mircea_popescu: no but that it can't link statically because it's what it is, like dns.
chetty: well it has the gnarly shim of opengl and still wont
mircea_popescu: "why tyvm!"
mircea_popescu: "hey, if your program uses video, or the internet, you can't make it!"
asciilifeform: most of them require a gnarly dynamic shim (opengl or otherwise)
mircea_popescu: because it's just, for reasons that drive me very angry, something you think about.
chetty: since this first day I took on Eulora ----
mircea_popescu: it never fucking occurerd to me, or to anyone else.
mircea_popescu: you know for how long we had this problem ?
chetty: well at least I know now why I have been unable to build a static Eulora
asciilifeform: (what would it take to get rms in here so i don't have to play archaeologo-psychiatrist on him ?)
asciilifeform: but yes, compiler is infrastructure. and the bridges - are falling, falling down.
asciilifeform: not my terminology, but that of ancestors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the traditional 'magisteria' are kernel-land and user-land
mircea_popescu: it's c "core" in the sense that lo and behold, ruins linkability.
asciilifeform: at any rate rms distanced himself from the userland 'big picture' long ago, when 'hurd' was still a going concern
asciilifeform: i buy a loaf and therein are turds.
asciilifeform: i see the mice, if we run with them, as inhabiting - his bakery
mircea_popescu: the alternative (where he does things to your home) is eerily socialist.
asciilifeform: these mice tunnel through time and space.
asciilifeform: this is the difference.
mircea_popescu: (ie you can't tell anyone what to do out of their own aesthetic sense)
mircea_popescu: it can never be the proper purview of ethics.
asciilifeform: do we kill mice, roaches, by pretending they aren't there ?
asciilifeform: to smite the vermin ?
mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct stance. why would he give a damn ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see this actually describes either situation.
asciilifeform: it means that if a pile of shit stinks too loudly he has the option of turning his nose and pretending it isn't there - and takes it
asciilifeform: linus is close to getting there
asciilifeform: rm is apolitical in precisely the sense mircea_popescu is not
mircea_popescu: this is their charter. "our continued existence is a fortunate byproduct of the situation where nobody even knows what's in the boxes."
asciilifeform: he had the option of 'becoming apolitical' (yes, sounds odd to use this phrase to describe rms, but it applies) - and he took it.
asciilifeform: honest - yes. but in a kind of self-imposed exile from worldly things.
mircea_popescu: this is why the nsa even exists still.
mircea_popescu: and i don't believe the man is anything but 100% honest.
mircea_popescu: foss seriously has a problem by now. and it is of the nature of alf's "fits in head" thing.
asciilifeform: if considering removal, might as well carry on with the ada rewrite.
asciilifeform: (it is arguably more of the language in the turd than cpp per se)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unfortunately satoshi's thing happens to be written -in- boost