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nubbins`: <+trinque> ben_vulpes: gentoo has
this dumb scheme where you have
to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo
to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 <<< +1
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BingoBoingo: There's probably some subset of compulsive behavior spectrum
that desperately wants whatever
they are doing
to actual be museum'ing
BingoBoingo: Setup a freedom
toaster at a conference, some idiots are going
to put one up in a space
they have access
to
thinking it will attact passerby outside
the conference distortion swirl, same with BTC ATMs
BingoBoingo: Will it's an attempt
to make some money for
the people selling
the boxes, but mostly it's a piece of conference swag some naive souls
tried
to introduce into
the real world.
mircea_popescu: rather
than a ludicrous attempt
to be hipsterashionable.
mircea_popescu: i originally imagined it's a misguided attempt
to make money,
mircea_popescu: im starting
to realise
the "bitcoin atm"
thing is actually just a sort of "freedom
toaster" v2.0
mats: pointer, userland can control
the data (and sometimes, control) flow of
the kernel by virtue of providing
the attack data in its own userland address range as it's fully visible in
the kernel's virtual address space as well"
mats: quoth
the spender: "the problem i set out
to solve with UDEREF was
that many kernel bugs can be exploited (at all or more reliably) due
to
the fact
that on i386 most OSs don't separate
the userland virtual address space from
that of
the kernel.
this in
turn means
that whenever userland can make
the kernel (unexpectedly) dereference a userland controlled
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 20:59:21; asciilifeform: mats: i can
trivially make mincemeat of
this by issuing raw dma cycles.
trinque: I don't feel smarter doing
this
trinque: oh god
the mundane knowledge you must have
to operate it
mircea_popescu: if i wanted
to live like
that i'd have stayed in academia."
mircea_popescu: "you mean
to
tell me you wrote down form f.45.b instead of 4.5.fb ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: trying
to install gentoo is like
taking an exam for public servancy
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's
the most objectionable
thing ever, all
this list of gotchas.
mircea_popescu: sadly intelligent people are coditioned
to fear hurting idiots, instead of enjoying it.
trinque: sounds like a hell of a fun
time
trinque: haha,
the plank with nail is unstoppable
mircea_popescu: stepping on
transvestite cocks and hispster beards, in a swamp of hurt feelings.
trinque: either it's easy
to install and becomes
the shit-smeared playground, or it's pulling
teeth and marginally less shit-smeared, it seems
mircea_popescu: sure, someone could.
the moment someone does you get ubuntu -
two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and
then insta-poettering.
☟︎ trinque: can't have
that because it wouldn't be gentoo!
trinque: someone could solve
this; gentoo has
this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is
the only
thing preventing it from having a proper installer
☟︎☟︎ mats: and here i
thought mp was going
to show a moment of vulnerability
mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world
to exist where i may have
to spend more
than an hour getting a new os running.
☟︎☟︎ trinque: then
there's of course having
the right kernel module going
trinque: ben_vulpes: gentoo has
this dumb scheme where you have
to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo
to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0
ben_vulpes: but compiled kernel and gentoo - simply refuses. indubitably attributable
to operator error.)
ben_vulpes: (live cd connects
through virtualization layer just happily
ben_vulpes: (*damned* frustrating,
that networking
thing)
ben_vulpes: i have a gentoo
that comes up as expected - but sans eth0, and damned if i can figure out why.
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:36:00; ascii_modem:
this invites
the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again.
mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is
to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses
the bought accounts
to "buy" his coins
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:42; ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i
thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:26; nubbins`: it's like
the usms
thing but on
the forum
decimation: true. it's also possible
that
the code was acquired from elsewhere, written for some other purpose, and was 'merit-washed' into
the ecm module
ascii_modem: but someone -decided-
to use
the idiot coolie
ascii_modem: quite possibly did not even know, for
toyota or
toy car
decimation: and
that person either *knew* what he was doing or was pathologically ignorant
decimation: somewhere
there was a sweatshop where some asian person was committing code
to
this device
ascii_modem: cheaper
than
that endangered animal,
the actual engineer...
ascii_modem: but because
the unreflective imbecile who signed off on it is.
ascii_modem: it is -not!- because
the non-ecc chip is cheaper
ascii_modem: some berkshire 'wriggleys' is laughing all
the way
to
the bank
ascii_modem: fitted non-ecc ram in a car? enjoy being used as living crash dummy in next
test
ascii_modem: fits-in-head is
the only answer.
though it goes well with a balanced diet of public impalements for wreckerz
decimation: Adlai: yeah I don't
think it will even let you link with any modern open source standard libraries
Adlai: something like compcert doesn't help when
the libraries have mounds of garbage code, even if it "works," you just get mounds of garbage object code
decimation: if 'we' let vendors hide
their software,
they will produce
turds
decimation: rms was right about
this kind of stuff
decimation: one wonders how much of our lives depend directly on such hard and soft
turdware
decimation: "Although
the investigation focused almost entirely on software,
there is at least one HW factor:
Toyota claimed
the 2005 Camry's main CPU had error detecting and correcting (EDAC) RAM. It didn't. EDAC, or at least parity RAM, is relatively easy and low-cost insurance for safety-critical systems."
decimation: Misbehaviors of
Toyota’s ETCS are a cause of UA. "
decimation: Barr's ultimate conclusions were
that:
Toyota’s electronic
throttle control system (ETCS) source code is of unreasonable quality.
Toyota’s source code is defective and contains bugs, including bugs
that can cause unintended acceleration (UA). Code-quality metrics predict presence of additional bugs.
Toyota’s fail safes are defective and inadequate (referring
to
them as a “house of cards” safety architecture).
decimation: it's in
the logs somewhere. point is,
there's a whole cottage industry around
trying
to 'support' C for missions
that matter
decimation: ^ I
tried
to use it once, immediately puked when it encountered system libraries
Adlai: sure, but it's not like
this is
the first
time people have wanted
to use minimal functionality from existing libraries
ascii_modem: one reason is
that it is damnably hard for c/cpp
decimation: ascii_modem: suddenly
talk about lisp machines seems cool
Adlai never understood why nobody wrote a
tree-shaking compiler
decimation: ^ what he means, specifically, is
that you can enslave your rhel machine
to a winblows 'kerberos/ldap' server
nubbins`: meanwhile windows wants
to
turn itself into a bunch of sheets of coloured construction paper laid out on a blue
tarp
decimation: all
the more reason
to use embedded buildroot/minimal distro
ascii_modem: this invites
the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again.
☟︎ decimation: so
this is not an issue for pogo anyway
decimation: 6) uClibc does not support NSS (/lib/libnss_*), which allows glibc
to easily support various methods of authentication and DNS resolution. uClibc only supports flat password files and shadow password files for storing authentication information. If you need something more complex
than
this, you can compile and install pam.
nubbins`: ok, so
the libdl/DSO
thing is gone
decimation: well,
the redhat glibc static build is pretty much just building glibc with -static