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BingoBoingo: And then... Greenwald shuts down his Guardian coworker
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell hanbot those last two paragraphs of 'shall be delivered' ... goosebumps.
BingoBoingo: Glen Greenwald opening the conversation with Snowden by trying to write a story about snowden during day 1 of year 0
BingoBoingo: Such great lulz in this film for decompression
BingoBoingo: Douche DOJ lawyer in a pedo bow tie
BingoBoingo: Federal appellate court room also featured. Looks more drab the local county oppression centers.
BingoBoingo: rewatching citizen4 snowden gedanken film. Forgot they showed the NSA facility under construction in Mormon Judea as a backdrop for so many narrations. Awfully close to the interstate.
pete_dushenski: i'd like to see another such competition one of these days
pete_dushenski: ah, i remember reading jurov's piece from that competition as well.
asciilifeform: if i were to live for another twenty whole years, i could wish to produce something equalling this.
pete_dushenski: huh. fancy that.
asciilifeform: a good bit of why i even came to this place
assbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1CysTmg )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the basic concept is due to hanbot's 'shall be delivered'
pete_dushenski: such an echo chamber, this place
asciilifeform: if anyone recalls, iirc it was in a mircea_popescu article that we find observation that 'to this day the holes in the mains socket have to remain small'
asciilifeform: while people, to the extent that they cannot be connected with a key, are just bags of meat.
asciilifeform: that - to a historian, or whatever other kind of remote third party - it is keys that 'are people'
asciilifeform: just as there were people who could not make the leap to 'wire is lifeless and small but can kill elephant'
asciilifeform: not sure how many folks are ready for this mental leap
pete_dushenski: twould be to argue against maffs
pete_dushenski: i won't really argue that.
asciilifeform: the more so, to the extent they appear to diverge from the authentifiable one.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is some key, somewhere, supposedly associated with the character.
asciilifeform: the message in the bottle may be true. or not
asciilifeform: any and all 'snowden interviews' fall into this class of item
asciilifeform: a bottle washed up from the sea.
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is asleep, i shall fill in for him, and point out that: not signed - not vouched for by anyone in wot - may as well be a piece of litter on the street.
pete_dushenski: but there's no shortage of video about
pete_dushenski: greenwald, i ain't, so you'll have to ask him
asciilifeform: (if he had, we wouldn't necessarily know, the greenwald gang mutilated all beyond recognition)
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, the documents ?
pete_dushenski: well, not the videos
pete_dushenski: interviews shed some light as to his stances, i think it's pretty clear.
asciilifeform: in so far as this compendium remains hypothetical - snowden's beliefs are 'angels on a pin'
asciilifeform: (is this a null set ?)
pete_dushenski: yup. like your old dog that just needs another surgery to return her to her former puppious glory
asciilifeform: that didn't 'need' to be killed
asciilifeform: very much, going by the public statements, a believer in some idea of a return to a mythical 'old' usg
pete_dushenski: definitely an utopian idealist streak in there
asciilifeform: supposedly, e.g., 'waited to leak because didn't want to sink obama election' etc.
asciilifeform: to the extent we even have an accurate picture of a non-fictional man 'snowden' - he isn't particularly clever.
pete_dushenski: or 'mebbe there's another way'
pete_dushenski: ok i can see that
asciilifeform: the desire is not really connected with whether you have the talent, or opportunity, to do it
asciilifeform: thing is, plenty of folks who have never killed so much as a rat, happily howl for blood of this or that enemy
pete_dushenski: not foot soldiers, these
pete_dushenski: cia employee has seen pictures, that's it
asciilifeform: just as an exterminator probably has some idea of what the ant hill experiences
pete_dushenski: mebbe your friend the joo was shipped off in a cattle car
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is difficult to imagine that cia employee would have no concept of what usg dishes out to the rest of the planet (as well as own subjects)
pete_dushenski: or at least there's a greater probability of this
pete_dushenski: but a non-nazi german would've still witnessed abuses and tragedies, first hand, that would make a deskmonkey faint instantly
asciilifeform: but could so much as admit that 'though i am a german, a good nazi is a dead one'
asciilifeform: not as if he were personally asked to work the guillotine
pete_dushenski: of course, but he's awfully timid for that headsoff bizniz
asciilifeform: by failing to immediately reply with exactly this.
asciilifeform: in a way he is buying into the inquisitor's proposition.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: at any rate, snowden deserves his share of being pissed on for his failure to say 'yes, if you are a servant of usg i want to see your miserable existence end on headsoff.com'
pete_dushenski: "you fast on yom kippur, ima fucking eat this pizza"
pete_dushenski: we just want other people to atone for it
pete_dushenski: because we are all the sinners
asciilifeform: the american puritans invented a term of art for this, 'love the sinner and hate the sin'
asciilifeform: ready to hug him, kiss him good-night before lighting the pyre, so long as he repents
pete_dushenski: i mean, doesn't someone have to be in the right ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is the 'sympathy' of torquemada for the heretic
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: though that this thought and sympathy with defectors can co-exist is, to me, baffling
pete_dushenski: i have the same sense.
asciilifeform: it isn't, as far as i can tell, a pretense
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the interesting, and perhaps nonobvious - tidbit - is that these folks -actually- perceive 'american law' and 'god's law' (whether or not they worship any gods) to be one and the same
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 02:22:03; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with jurisdictions discussed recentlier is deeper than it seems. plenty of usians do not think other places are "real places".
assbot: You know what doesn’t wash? Your pathetic attempts to “teach the controversy.” That’s what. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbwj9N )
asciilifeform: or so went the reasoning.
asciilifeform: 'rice kingdom' is a civilization type, after all
asciilifeform: decimation: the traditional picture is each empire getting its 'correct' continent
decimation: yeah, the movie was naive to think that the chinese would take over before the central americans
asciilifeform: decimation: more of an extrapolation of present-day mexican turf wars with a pseudohistoric flavour
decimation: is aztlan the 'blade runner'-style distopia?
decimation: yeah I don't think they are serious, apparently it partially depends on visitors winding it
asciilifeform: rather than down here, where it waits for the scrap dealers of aztlan circa 2080s
asciilifeform: decimation: if they were serious about the 10,000 - they would have parked it on the moon
decimation: actually if you want to have something amusing stand the test of time, why not make a '10,000 year clock' like those yahoos in texas
asciilifeform: how the hell does one smoke a harp ?
Chillum: completely unrelated to harp-hooting though
Chillum: which is smoking through a trumpet
Chillum: which itself is based on trumptoking
Chillum: shotgunning is based off of trombonging
Chillum: that is called trombonging
asciilifeform expected it to be something more specific - weed smoked through trombone, or the like
nubbins`: on that note...
nubbins`: one of the more comical euphemisms
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz+cigarette | A slang term used for Marijuana cigarettes during the 1920's in the United States. Cannabis cigarettes were sold in jazz clubs during this period thus the origin of ...
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz+smoke | jazz smoke isn't defined. Can you define it? * Meaning. Random Word. Ten Words Trending Now. trap queen · swamp donkey · on fleek · sex · dutch rudder ...
Chillum: jazz smokes are the best smokes
nubbins`: anyway i'm gonna have a jazz smoke and head to bed. if someone gets portatronic pogotronic static-o-matic bitcoind recipe posted to ML by month's end, i'll send you a free hand-bound book
Chillum: I will have to include a stone version of the block chain
nubbins`: whoever finds your milled stone will have to get to the end of the first book before he figures out wtf is going on
Chillum: I found this: http://www.timescramble.com/ but that is trusting a 3rd party which is lame
asciilifeform: of the future.
asciilifeform: decimation: what the 'purpose' is of this, i will leave to the shrinks.