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ascii_field: funkenstein_: until you grasp it, we have nothing
to discuss
trinque: funkenstein_:
that I get 100%
funkenstein_: i'm not sure i get
this "hold it all in your mind" fascination
trinque: didn't seem
to work out for
them
ascii_field: trinque: 'soviet economics' was
the kind of fool who is
the only kind who can make sufficiently long bets.
ascii_field: the only
thing i can promise for
the $trillion is: more material for
the next fella
to work with
trinque: so
then
this sounds like soviet economics at best :D
trinque: ascii_field: say you burn a
trillion dollars on
this
thing and it simply never works
trinque: having bred
together
the most docile, drooling morons of
the cow-ancestor is
ascii_field: the blade of grass
the cow ate is not 'our fault' at all
ascii_field: even in so much as it was necessary so
that paul erdos could have a glass of milk.
trinque: not a good representative of
the solutions nature comes up with
ascii_field: no cow
that lived so much as 50 years ago is worth discussing
ascii_field: everything worth
talking about a generation up - is a leap.
ascii_field: Chillum will get his next cpu from a
tree.
Chillum: nature builds CPUs
that build CPUS
Chillum: ascii_field: my point was if someone hacks my camera
trigger device
they can
take pictures and
then I will unplug it
trinque: ascii_field: doesn't seem
that nature
takes
these massive leaps
Chillum: well if you want
the same
thing without wifi just use an arduino
mats: or whatever
the physical arrangements
therein
mats: its not
the firmware
that's
the problem
Chillum: it runs C code on
the processor
Chillum: mats:
through
the serial port you can completely rewrite
the firmware...
though I suppose on
the wire it may be running some spyware, but
then so could anything
trinque: ascii_field:
the idea was you get everything modeled relationally, and
then user can reason about schema rather
than myriad other representations of structure
Chillum: adding a webserver interface is actually cheaper
than a display and buttons
Chillum: not all applications call for security. I am making a device
that uses a laser
to detect a falling drop of water and
triggers my camera just as it is impacting in a pool
ascii_field: there is no incremental path from -committee of crud-
to -individual fits-in-head-
trinque: and failed imo because of refusal
to do
the mundane
trinque: ascii_field: I bring
this up because
this was a far more incremental change
to
the stack
than you propose, and it still failed miserably
mats: can't securely access
the
thing
ascii_field: trinque: and where is
the man? also dead ?
Chillum: but if you ever wanted
to add a webserver
to your lamp,
this is
the device
☟︎ trinque: ascii_field:
the company of course folded because he let a mundane consulting business die because
this relational userland he was after was "obviously where computing should go"
Chillum: mats: I am going
to hook it
to a serial gps chip and make a
tiny super low power war walker
☟︎ ascii_field: the
tech level
to allow -one individual who can hold
the design in his mind-
to attempt it - wasn't
there yet.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: expecting an answer
to
this question in a sentence is
the height of folly
mats: you're not seriously going
to run wifi or a webserver on it are you?
mats: 16:04:57 <+Chillum> I just got an ESP8266, a $4 chip
that has a microcontroller
that can run either C or Lua with 512kb memory 8GPIOs and a wifi card with a high level interface. All
the size of a SD card and running off 300ma(peak) at 3.3v
funkenstein_: so what's wrong with
the 801
tell it straight up
trinque: all
these "puppets" and "chefs" exist because
that which holds state on unix is flimsy shit
trinque: it was "true"
that
the system he wanted is far more robust
than sed/awk-ing /etc
trinque: had me wiring up process
tables,
things in /etc via parsers, everything up into postgresql
funkenstein_: a lot of
the "failures" .. are pretty fucking impressive
trinque: ascii_field |
trinque: are you able
to see value in
the
truth as an abstract ? << I had
the opportunity
to work for a guy
that
thought
the relational database should be central
to operating system design
ascii_field: funkenstein_: go and see how much physical space 1kb of memory
takes up in a way you can -personally- construct from discrete
transistors.
ascii_field: see, idiot derps who do not know
the state of
the art and say
that
they do not need
to, because
taiwan isn't making it and
their corner computer store isn't selling it - belong in africa.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: i am always entertained by folks commenting 'he does not know history of computing', when
themselves
they do not even know most of it, because it happened on
the wrong side of
the atlantic
Chillum: I am sure big brother has something better
though
Chillum: at least little brother has it
too
Chillum: later it could be used against googles SSID database
to
triangulate movement
Chillum: one of
these and a small battery could record wifi SSIDs and signal strength and
time for days
ascii_field: or whatever you were going
to do originally with 555
timer,
that you are now using 'web server' for
ascii_field: Chillum: what some folks will do, just
to get nsa into an automatic plant waterer.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: if you know
the organism in question, link him
to my answer.
☟︎ Chillum: I just got an ESP8266, a $4 chip
that has a microcontroller
that can run either C or Lua with 512kb memory 8GPIOs and a wifi card with a high level interface. All
the size of a SD card and running off 300ma(peak) at 3.3v
☟︎ ascii_field: i assume
that
the discussion concerned my www site, but my points stand even if not.
ascii_field: citing
the failures
that he and his ilk were responsible for, as proof
that problems cannot be solved.
ascii_field: 'that
the protection stuff like checking array boundaries and pointer validity can be handled by
the compiler just as effectively as it can in hardware, with
the running product a lot faster and a lot simpler
to build.' << imbecilic garbage
Chillum: people believe all kinds of stupid shit, even
the brilliant ones
Chillum: they could not wait for god
to do it for
them
ascii_field: trinque: are you able
to see value in
the
truth as an abstract ?
trinque: fuck it; god will solve
the problems.
trinque: I have my doubts
that a mind which believes in
the will of allah produces anything of long
term value
☟︎ ascii_field: it would have
to be 'will of allah' or whatnot.
trinque: ascii_field: also how do you get someone who's sufficiently fanatical
to do
the project yet rational enough
to do it correctly?
ascii_field: trinque: why would any powerful man use himself as another's rocket fuel? << in so long as
this is phrased
this way in his head - never.
☟︎ ascii_field: Chillum:
the only further comment i have for
this is
that you will be well-served
to read up on actual scenarios resembling your hypothetical. rather
then using 'zombie apocalypse' 3d shooters as a mental model.
Chillum: ascii_field: I honestly
think keeping a low profile would offer a higher chance of survival
than using a lot of force. I would carry a weapon but
try my hardest not
to reveal it, and use it if I do
☟︎ trinque: but
their masters are going
to want something from having allocated
them
Chillum: gladly I live in an area where you could live off
the land if you wanted
to
Chillum: constant
travel would be your best bet
☟︎ Chillum: and any protection it does bring could be gained by someone able
to pretend
they are poor
funkenstein_: one has
to inherently weight
the present as more important, it's an endless problem
ascii_field: trinque: which is why i said 'fanatics'. folks who understand
that
they are human rocket stages and accept
this.
Chillum: don't
think poverty will protect you from
the violent marauders
trinque: funkenstein_: I'm not saying long
term projects can't exist; however, I
think
they're doomed if
they do not benefit
the participants all along
the way
☟︎ mats: this kind of
thinking is indicative of soft living
ascii_field: Chillum: markets do not disappear in a collapse, but become 'seller's markets' very quickly.
the cost of a
ticket on schindler's
train was a bag of diamonds.
the cost of a
ticket on same
train after it left - $infinite.
Chillum: idiot schmucks will always go
the way of idiot schmucks
Chillum: if you don't act like a
tool
then you can use
the
tool
trinque: funkenstein_: sure if we substitute my
tangible feeling of "being" for some abstract soul which
the society may chain
to popular groupthink, we can make people do all kinds of
things
ascii_field: srsly
this is not a secret,
there is ample literature on what actually happens
to idiot schmucks who
think
that money is magical
mats: they'll just put a knife in your chest and
take it.
mats: what makes you
think anybody would sell you a gun for some shiny?
mats: i've got some food here in case of emergency but realistically i'll be eaten before i get
to
that store...
too many humans per sq ft in boston.
trinque: if I care about anything at all how could I not care about being able
to continue
to care?
ascii_field: Even after
the fall of
the roman empire gold had value << aha, very valuable, but nothing in particular attaches it
to your earthly carcass.
mats: the only
thing i'd ever bother
to stockpile are bullets and natural gas
funkenstein_: trinque, so it is automatic
to care about all
times
then
ascii_field: 'And so,
the answer
to
the perennially annoying question “How do I invest my money for it
to survive financial, political and commercial collapse?” is
this: “There is no answer
to your question.
Try asking a different question,
to which
there might be an answer.”'
☟︎