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Chillum: mircea_popescu: I know I was using it before
the web
Chillum should REALLY read
the IRC protocol RFC
Chillum: huh. One would
think it is either part of
the protocol or not
assbot: Using a DMCA
takedown notice
to assert a
trademark claim may lead
to section 512(f) liability - Lexology ... (
http://bit.ly/1Duf0ed )
decimation: mircea_popescu: couldn't
the dc simply claim
that you were violating
their
tos?
Chillum should read
the IRC protocol RFC
Chillum: do irc client reveal what
type
they are like web browser's user agent?
Guest64542: ok sorry I wasn't looking at
the user ID
Guest64542: Mr. P: Forgive my ignorace, but who is DC? Are you referring
to
the provider
that hosts your site? Or some sort of
third-party abritraitor? And what do you mean by "tendril of USG"?
mircea_popescu: there is such a
thing as joint and several liability. let
the dc sue
them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't intend
to pursue some dubious "start-up" in canada on
the strength of
the declarations of some otherwise proven liar / confused internet person.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a sad state of affairs for actual providers.
they're stuck in
the middle. can't really pay good lawyers, can't really exactly judge when customer is going
to
turn around and bitchslap
them with a
ten
ton hammer...
mircea_popescu: if you have any experience with contemporary us law,
this should be a familiar pattern
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dmca is EXACTLY and specifically drawn so large players can squash annoyances, but also minor players
trying
to do
the same get
totally raped.
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm not suing some bankruipt derps in canada, who cares about
them.
Chillum: The study of security is interesting, but
the study of insecurity is fascinating.
mircea_popescu: wait until you read into
the statutory damages for dmca fraud.
Guest64542: I'm not an expert on DMCA, but I do kind of get
the idea
that all you did was post links
to
the profiles, and I don't see how
that would be a copyright violation
mircea_popescu: internet brigading is a great way
to deal with nobodies, but you run
the risk of stepping on
the
tail of someone who is actually powerful, on occasion, at which point
the whole
thing backfires.
mircea_popescu: as a warning for later muppets on
the score of "fuck with people you don't know"
mircea_popescu: and so ima sue
them for all
they got and move
the blog.
mircea_popescu: today
the dc nulled
that ip, which brings
them into liability over
the matter, as
the complaint is clearly spurious,
decimation: i can see how
the dc is in a
tough spot
Guest64542: before your site went offline, I did have a chance
to read
the DMCA
takedown notice and your response
mircea_popescu: waited
ten days, reinstated
the content, forgot all about it.
mircea_popescu: some dude claiming
to be "from fetlife" made a proper dmca notification, which i counter-notified
mircea_popescu: i pointed out
to
the dc
that if it abuses dmca notice process in
this way it'll end up liable, and linked
them
to caselaw.
mircea_popescu: aite. so basically, i saw something, said something. fetlife misjudged itself, and sent a spurious "trademark infringement" claim
to
the dc.
Guest64542: I know what bitcoin is. I have not actually used it. Before logging into
this IRC, I read a little bit about who you are. So I have some idea
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 so you're entirely foreign
to
the bitcoin space,
then ?
Guest64542: I have a profile at FetLife, and I have seen a rather lively debate
there about
this. But I haven't formed an opinion yet. I
thought it would be interesting
to
talk directly with you about instead of relying on a lot of chatter
mircea_popescu: im not
trying
to accomplish anything. hm... what exactly is your interest in
this
thing ?
Guest64542: so is your objective
to point out flaws in
the website? or something else? what are you
trying
to accomplish?
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 15:41:18; dignork: mircea_popescu: on a concept level lurkmore is a copy of encyclopedia dramatica, but
they do much better job imho
Chillum: unless
they can provide a reliable source
to back it up
menahem: sorry
to interrupt, is
trilema down for you ?
Chillum: I delete it and usually block
the person who made it
Chillum: decimation: I have a javascript snipet
that shows me pages in
the "attack page" category. Every so often someone makes a page describing what a fag some other person is and an editor markes it as an attack page
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 i ended up making a profile at some point. read some "build from
the ground up with security in mind" verbiage from
the baku character, sounded exactly like
the bitcoin scammer broken record.
decimation: Chillum: precisely, so how do 'you' spare
the cycles
to prevent
the more insideous defacement?
Guest64542: OK. But how did
the conflict get started? Why are you interested in
their DB?
Chillum: from chaos great
things emerge
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe ed is actually a better wiki
than wikipedia.
Chillum: it is all we can do
to keep
the pages from just saying "U R GAY LOLOLOLO)(!"
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 actually,
they are picking a fight with me. i generally end fights.
Chillum: Wikipedia says clearly it is not a reliable source and it never pretends
to be
mircea_popescu: you seriously believe
that if you split up
the value wikipedia added
to human society over
the years, in "making experts laugh" and "everything else",
the 2nd bit would be anything even remotely comparable
to
the 1st ?
Guest64542: Mr P: I don't understand why you are picking a fight with
them
Chillum: really if you don't know how much confidence
to give a given data source
then
that is a failure
to comprehend
Chillum: I know a boob using a
tool wrong
mircea_popescu: this is a rube goldberg cube. entertaining, for us. wasteful, for
the random derp/.
Chillum: give a fool a hammer and a nail and
they will stick
their ear
to
the floor
Chillum: tools are
tools, people can use
them right or bolt
themselves
to
the floor
mircea_popescu: i happen
to know what
things are, having had
the good fortune
to exist before wikipedia did.
mircea_popescu: no, iut's a
tool for laymen
to bolt down
their ignorance in such a way
that
they'll never ever become good, at anything.
Chillum: if you
think an encyclopedia is more you are sure
to be disapointed
Chillum: any serious academic knows an encyclopedia is not a reliable source and is just a
tool for laymen
to get a basic understanding of a subject
Chillum: mircea_popescu: it is nothing more
than a starting point for understanding
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 internet is large, and mostly inhabited by
the clueless.
Chillum: First we stored
the password and
that was stupid,
then we hashed it but people could build rainbow
tables so we added salt,
then
things got faster. Now we harden by hashing many
times
mircea_popescu: Chillum everything even remotely worth reading is out of
the scope of a wikipedia.
Guest64542: so you just scraped
the data? I don't see what
the big deal is
mircea_popescu: presenting rank ignorance as, rather
than humiliatory, a sort of "problem". it's no problem.
decimation: moldbug would say
that pinker would gladly suck
the cock of a nyt writer so he can be published in
the 'grey lady'
Chillum: we get experts all
the
time and we have
to
tell
them
that
they can only use what
they know if
they have sources