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decimation: 'but it's the people's office'
mircea_popescu: same way you "own" the da office.
asciilifeform: you 'own the sheepskin' also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but you own the house"
mircea_popescu: decimation if i was sure, i'd recommend it to bright young things.
asciilifeform: even in the godforsaken patent office
mircea_popescu: so then... alive ? yeahok.
mircea_popescu: or whatever, ask about how the job sucks.
mircea_popescu: or ask them what % they must maintain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask someone whom you know in the civil service what does an overturned conviction do.
asciilifeform: i take elephant's retort, 'i did not care to crush the ant', seriously -while elephant remains alive-.
mircea_popescu: the problems the social security system has are not limited to the social security system. they are endemic, and that because they are systematic.
mircea_popescu: ant wins every time it cares.
mircea_popescu: elephant is not allowed to move.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the soviets ? ALWAYS.
asciilifeform: but does the smart money bet on ant ?
mircea_popescu: pay a lot to gain very little vs pay nothing to gain whatever you take for yourself. hmm....
mircea_popescu: decimation this is an angle alf does not wish to see (deliberate engineer's blindness), but in fact compare the afore-mentioned weev with the unfortunate da prosecuting. is weev a lazy bum ? yes. did the poor da work butt off through law scool ? yes. still not paid debt ? yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: was it a home depot? I've had exactly the same experience
decimation: ^ note that the hippies in the 60's were the 'young male', and now they are trying to 'maintain responsibility'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had an eerily 'sovok' experience the other day. went to a shop that sold, among other items, wooden planks. needed one sawed to fit in car. waited for whole hour, while clerk after clerk inquired, where, where is the one and only man authorized to use saw (kept under lock and key)
mircea_popescu: decimation it means, "try and leech as much as you can off the young and impressionable females before a determined and disinterested young male gores you."
decimation: and 'responsibility' means 'yer ass is on the line now', not 'you can choose to do as you wish'
mircea_popescu: you know that still has me chuckling ?
asciilifeform: 'nah, we're out of meat. fish is what they lack at the fish monger's.'
mircea_popescu: soon the same old jokes from the 70s are going to begin to circulate once more.
mircea_popescu: they even use the same word - "responsibility"
decimation: one sees exactly the same phenomenon in usg today
mircea_popescu: which is how the thing actually failed.
asciilifeform: chingis khan, yes, he only cares that you submit & pay tribute.
mircea_popescu: and so a position "of power" was a terrible curse no one wanted.
mircea_popescu: lest it gets too tall.
mircea_popescu: not exactly. more important in practice - the need to cut the grass.
asciilifeform: decimation: nah. that'd be, e.g., the khanate.
decimation: I suppose the only 'norm' that moscow really cared about was 'nominal submission to moscow'
mircea_popescu: feudalism empowers he with most knights, the rest - he wight less concern.
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem with a "democracy", aka representative democracy aka people's soviet is that the victory is always to the fearless.
asciilifeform: nothing else even begins to scale.
asciilifeform: decimation: enforcement of norms is always - in practice - 'peer to peer'
decimation: I thought that the 'political meeting' was for the party to tell people what to think, not vice versa
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 since you use the web platform andso prolly don't have a local log.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help you if i stand up in the "political meeting" and ask you about X.
Guest64542: ok I see that there is a record of our conversation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the power of the "people's denouncing" in there ? that's the equivalent.
decimation: bureaucratic mastery, to the "science beat" at the Times."
decimation: re: the gray journal: vintage moldbug > "Of course, they can't do much. You can't submit to the gray journal. There is no formal review process. You simply have to know someone who knows someone who... and who is on the end of this chain? Five or ten very ordinary people, with no particular expertise in anything, perhaps a BA in some science or other. Who happen to have gotten themselves assigned, through whatever feat of
asciilifeform: where - not everyone now remembers, but - believe or not, there were also courts and jurists.
mircea_popescu: ussr wasn't built on the bezzle tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we - or at least i - knew that you're fond of courtroom challenge. but i can't help but also remember the various folk who tried this in ussr.
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 04:54:00; mircea_popescu: Guest64542 you know about the log ?
Guest64542: Mr P ummm I am not sure what you are talking about LOL
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 you know about the log ? ☟︎
Guest64542: Mr P: Thank you for sharing your perspective on this
asciilifeform: (the drives, that is)
asciilifeform wonders how many readers purchased a spot welder after hearing of this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, i guess this makes me the first of that evil species of barristish sticklers that you all love to hate that you ever met.
mircea_popescu: i still dunno that's related.
mircea_popescu: i also like free money as much as the next fellow
asciilifeform was kinda surprised, he admits, to learn that mircea_popescu even hosts in a part of the world which even pretends to honour dmca etc.
mircea_popescu: i like a challenge as much as the next fellow, i guess.
asciilifeform: 'why -should- we have to be solid. the world should not contain pointy things'
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 as far as i'm concerned, there's a crowd of silly people somewhere on the web that tricked a dc into bankruptcy. yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a more or less plain case of 'i have the right to wear this rape dress'
Guest64542: Mr P: Sounds like your real dipute at this point is with the dc
mircea_popescu: nuts, i tell you.
mircea_popescu: gotta absolutely have /10001 so the next one is /10002 ?
mircea_popescu: but seriously, you're all tech savvy people. who the fuck claims to have, you know, "built the site with security in mind" then makes the db trivially iterable because couldn't be bothered to hash the anything ? would something like user/F2xWjk been so very hard ?
decimation: which is why claims to originality are doubly amusing
decimation: crossfit is the 1920's 'strong man' circus act, reinvented for today's youth
Chillum: like a movie by some twisted director that keeps you watching in abject confusion/horror
menahem: also the reason why I stfu until I know backstories from trilema.
Chillum: at first I stayed for the spectacle, after that for the intrigue
Chillum: part of what makes this channel intersting
Chillum: mircea_popescu: as usual the conversations here require context that takes time to learn
asciilifeform: danced the hempen jig, he did.
asciilifeform: Chillum: yeah. they hanged him
decimation: the CrossFit thing is hilarious too. it's the latest fad amoung youth
mircea_popescu: but seriously, they're total fucking idiots. i even had a lengthy comment explaining to the derp in charge how to salt and hash
Chillum: is this like that guy who used a college network to download shitloads of public domain but held by private companies court records?
mircea_popescu: turned into a service for folks too poor to afford a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: what started as a service for folks too simple to understand why they do not wish to be /user/1004555
decimation: mircea_popescu is performing a service for folks too poor to afford a lawyer
Chillum: then I am talking about the wrong part of DMCA
mircea_popescu: im not about to put anyone in prison. this is about money Chillum .
Chillum: a toothless old lady shrieking at people
Chillum: DMCA make a lot of things illegal but does not provide an easy path to conviction
Guest64542: ok I get that. DMCA is not the proper mechanism for enforcement
decimation: but that would be something for a judge to sort out I suppose
decimation: mircea_popescu: true, but I suspect that the dc could 'find you violating' without asserting anything w.r.t. dcma claims
mircea_popescu: misusing it in this manner is a misdemeanor, and more importantly, a path to civil liability.
mircea_popescu: the dmca does not provide for an avenue to enforce anything you wish.
Chillum: used to go by HighInBC
Guest64542: Mr. P: is it possible that scraping data is a violation of FetLife's TOU?
asciilifeform assumed 'chilam', the traditional smoking instrument
mircea_popescu: decimation the dc could claim absolutely anything they wish. the standard still is preponderence of evidence.
Chillum is grooving the Thelonious Monk's - Monk's Dream with a puff of smoke
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I suspect that anyone who has standing to assert section 512(f) probably will get a settlement
Chillum: mircea_popescu: "chills" is what they called me in high school
Chillum: just never learned the protocol under the client
mircea_popescu: generally these end in settlements, to avoid the ever balooning costs.