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adlai: productivity as measured by
the collector
nubbins`: i'm much more productive
than i was while working an office job.
adlai: well
the point of "going galt" is
tax optimization
through productivity reduction rather
than fund-shuffling
nubbins`: mats
those are some big imaginary numbers
nubbins`: someone does, otherwise
this house'd cost $30k and
the slum in ohio'd cost $220
mats: hmm... Egyptian state planners have a grandiose infrastructure plan
to spend $43bn on power generation, $21bn on upstream oil and gas, and $45bn on a new capital
nubbins`: in
the20yearslumland, i could prolly buy a city block for
that
nubbins`: i got four floors of house for not much more
than
that
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski in like 5 jurisdictions by various people who know
their job.
mircea_popescu: according
to argentinian head, 200k barely buys you a cramped 500sqft apt.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well
there's some fiat aspect
to your income
that's reported, no ?
nubbins`: who needs $61k with a body like
this?
nubbins`: my body is a patchwork, beard happens
to be reddish
nubbins`: "but with 61k/yr i can buy all
these
trappings!"
lobbes: well, I wouldn't be offended if I was being criticized. Rather,
that's why I like it here
lobbes: so perhaps not
the same at all
lobbes: again, I'm not
talking $61
to $6 here, rather 85
to maybe 58
mircea_popescu: kinda why
the interwebs are so popular with "the people"
nubbins`: i'm serious: <+nubbins`> lobbes
truly foolhardy is
the man
to whom i serve as an example
nubbins`: lobbes even
the stupidest ideas will find support on
the interwebs
nubbins`: mircea_popescu are you
talking about working in an office? 8)
lobbes: well I don't plan
to cling
to driftwood
mircea_popescu: "this could not possibly be a dumb idea - look! others are doing it
too!"
nubbins`: lobbes
truly foolhardy is
the man
to whom i serve as an example
lobbes: I
thought I was crazy (maybe still am)
lobbes: nubbins', your example leaving your 61k job is validating my similar decision
to eventually leave my new job for something less lucrative but more sane
nubbins`: if i worked in a cubicle,
the last
thing i would do is buy a pogo and mess with it
nubbins`: not at all.
the world's my oyster.
adlai: don't worry,
the
typo was only due
to furious
typing
trying
to keep up with
the wordcount
nubbins`: i wake up with a smile every day and go
to bed w/ same
nubbins`: mircea_popescu agreed. i still work (from
time
to
time), and it doesn't suck at all
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's all
those sunrises
that caused it !
nubbins`: i once
took a week's vacation because i couldn't be fucked
to show up on a monday... or a
tuesday
adlai: mircea_popescu: actually a control-typo
triggered it, and i decided
to learn from
the happy accident :)
nubbins`: you know when i was an office-man, i'd struggle whether
to get out of bed every. single. morning.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski implication being
that all
that extra money *almost* bought happiness
adlai: tangentially related:
though increasing
the font size of my console has reduced
the number of characters on my screen, it has greatly increased my quality-of-reading
nubbins`: pete_dushenski closer
to $0k per year
mircea_popescu: yes, but
that's what he means by "theoretical physicist"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu so do i, but i also like not wanting
to fucking kill myself every day
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: guessing
that 61k is pre-tax, i'll guess 20k savings. i'm guessing you've got skill in
this saving domain.
mircea_popescu: well in
that manner, becoming a slave is
the easiest way
to increase quality of life.
adlai: dropping meaningless metrics is
the easiest way
to increase quality of life
nubbins`: the only ones
that matter, yep
mircea_popescu: kinda how
the soviets failed, people went "eh why bother,
they gotta pay me anyway, and i don't make anything out of iteither way"
adlai: and includes reducing your quality of life, since you reach diminishing returns as you
try
to increase it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's when you stop contributing
to an idiotic community and just keep for yourself.
nubbins`: if
there's a fire
that big, house insurance will be
the least of your worries
mircea_popescu: if
there IS a fire, nobody can insure
the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: not everything's insurable nubbins`. specifically : insurance works for individuals. i was discussing
the country/western world.
adlai also wonders wo what degree nubbins` has "gone galt", perhaps without being consciously aware of
the concept
mircea_popescu: on average, if you average
them, per capita debt about 1k, per capita income about 5k, hopefully
there isn't a fire.
nubbins`: what, floating along without a care for
tomorrow? :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw i suppose your situation is exactly
typical of "the civilised world".
nubbins`: but i'll note
that
this is a problem with alf, not with walking away
nubbins`: p and i, combined, contribute about $500/mo
to keep
this place going
nubbins`: (as if
there's a better man
than me out
there)
nubbins`: 5-year
term's up next summer so i'll prolly pop a couple
tens of k down on
the principal
then
nubbins`: if you have 25 pairs of red shoes and nowhere
to put
them, maybe a shoe rack isn't
the right answer?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski how it works is
that you realize what you need and don't need
to get by
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski he sells used chicken fingers
to make up
the diff.
nubbins`: and i sleep
the sleep of
the just.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: ya how does
that actually work financially ?
nubbins`: and i spend my days not holding my nose
to
the grindstone, but dicking around on irc and puttering in my basement
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i mean
they also happened in daytime, you know, cause
the shops are closed at night. so daytime causes it ? meh.
nubbins`: i owe
the bank $190,000 and i made $6,000 in 2013
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm ascribing
too much causation
to correlations
nubbins`: the only
thing
that'll make alf walk away is alf
nubbins`: but perhaps
things i say will clear his mental path a bit more
adlai: nubbins`: well you can have all
the right puzzle pieces on
the
table, yet not see
the picture
mircea_popescu: but i still
think it's at best wrong
to imagine "the discussion did it"
mircea_popescu: nubbins`
to
the degree
that one's action is prevented by organised debris in his head,
then
this process may clear a path he can finally act upon
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how not ? how many pogo purchases and gnupg downloads have resulted from
time spent here ?
nubbins`: this can be useful or useless, depending on
the situation,
the person...
adlai thinks
the issue at hand relates more
to basic axioms arising from one's own life, rather
than words
nubbins`: "discussion" doesn't lead
to action, it leads
to puzzle pieces being shuffled around in your head
nubbins`: one day, in
the distant future, i'll say something
to alf and it'll make all what i have previously said fall into place
nubbins`: "If we manage
to set aside
the fantasy of
the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage
to foil
the constantly renewed
temptation of hegemony, if we stop making
the decision our final aim,
then
there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of
those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly
takes hold of beings, completely or only in part."
adlai: sure, and log.b-a can be considered a
tapestry of
threads
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:
this channel could be considered a forum