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assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 04:30:56; mod6: did anyone figure out how
to
turn
the closet light off?
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 04:02:31; ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: i've barely scratched
the surface of gpg, and otr has no lineage in my wot so i describe
the
tools i'd use were i
to
think PFS useful for me
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 03:58:19; assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:31:01; Citizenfive: It's not a grand conspiracy of course;
there are no reptilian overlords, but
the state of
things is curiously perplexing.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 03:49:56; assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 00:22:11; williamdunne:
trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors
ben_vulpes: i imagine its
to capture more of 'action'
ascii_lander: 'I've liv'd a life of sturt and strife; / I die by
treacherie: / It burns my heart I must depart, / And not avenged be. /
There's some come here
tae see me hanged / And some
to buy my fiddle. / But before I do part wi' her / I'll brak her
thro'
the middle./ He
took
the fiddle in both of his hands/ And he broke it o'er a stone./ Says,"There's nae ither hand shall play on
thee/ When I am dead and gone."'
ben_vulpes: stahp ascii_lander i cannot spare
the
time for learning russian
☟︎ ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: whence
the logs contention? iirc you said nothing about your occupation in-chan...
ascii_lander: mega-mindphuck
to anyone who knows either variant
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't
the
typing part of computers as what's damaging
to me poor meatsack
Citizenfive: hang on, I'm gen'ing a keypair so I don't contribute
to you fags' carpal
tunnel every 30 minutes
ascii_lander: ^
there is a
top-octane ru
translation of
this i was
taught as a boy
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: 'Fareweel, ye dungeons dark and strong, / Fareweel, Fareweel
tae
thee. / MacPherson's
time will nae be lang / On yonder gallows
tree. / Sae rantin'ly, sae wantonly / Sae dauntin'ly gaed he / He played a sprig and danced a jig / Below
the gallows
tree.' (™) (R)
☟︎ ben_vulpes: does not have dirigible, desires
to preserve meat
ascii_lander caught up with log, unclear on what is referred
to here
ben_vulpes: heavy opsec focus, but you can derive
that from logs
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: dude just how influential WAs
that book. <<
to
the point
that it became among
the only 'science fictional' yarns elevated
to 'classic' and made mandatory in schools, etc, in usa
ben_vulpes: "Dear God, please don't use Pond for anything real yet. I've hammered out nearly 20K lines of code
that have never been reviewed. Unless you're looking
to experiment you should go use something
that actually works."
Citizenfive: Well anyway, if you believe you know all
the details and have
the
threat vectors properly mitigated,
then you're already compartmenting, so don't worry about any of
this
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: … asks what happens if
there's nothing in a box. "well...
there'd be air" "no, not even air"…. "so
then a vacuum" "no, not even vacuum" << my brother
tormented me with
this 'what-if' when was a boy
ascii_lander: can't speak for others, but no gods involved with
this junker
ascii_lander: who build
the computer you are sitting on? gods?
ascii_lander: Citizenfive:
there is also
the option of learning basic principles of how apparatus is put
together
Citizenfive: For most of us here,
that means either (1) resign
to being an NPC, and stay off
the radar
that would allow use of *those* sorts of USG assets, or (2) compartment, compartment, compartment
ben_vulpes: leave babe dirigible keys and
train autopilot
to recognize her voice
ascii_lander: Citizenfive: in place of surrender - decide,
to go
to
the bottom of
the sea with honour
ascii_lander: Citizenfive:
this is where one discovers
that
the machine is not magic. and
that resistance is possible.
Citizenfive: if
the
threat model includes USG, at
the DPR-severity level (Senators declaring war on you — see Schumer etc a couple years ago), only compartmentation will save you (maybe)
ben_vulpes: give up, surrender
to obab, commit seppuku i suppose
Citizenfive: as for anything else, on
the hardware... again, all depends on
the
threat model. Pretty sure
there are microcode backdoors in everything, so
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: as oft said here,
the situation is so soviet it bleeds. << ahahaha guess what.
assbot: Even more evidence
that Apple was full of shit."/osxreverser: "Fixing rootpipe in Mavericks
to call Apple’s bluff"
https://t.co/HK5EWLACap"
ben_vulpes: from ignorance: how so safer
than macbsd?
Citizenfive: Well it's safer
than OS X. How many mainstream OSes are
there?
ben_vulpes: joke must be way over my
teeny leetle brane
Citizenfive: But not
Tor, maybe. Perhaps something new. But
Tor-like.
Citizenfive: Hence, maybe — holyfuckwhatanidea — financially incentivize
Tor scrutinization at
the protocol level? O.O
Citizenfive: I'd bet on Bitcoin's security (code-wise) over
Tor or anything else, just because of
that
☟︎ Citizenfive: Bitcoin is small, but due
to financial incentives is highly scrutinized.
That's a good way
to do it, but no one does
Citizenfive: Well
those are among
the most widely used and studied
things in all of cryptoland. Vs. everything else, i.e. some arbitrary piece of FOSS something. Stuff like
Tor is what gives everyone a false sense
that everyone is all over everything in FOSSland
ben_vulpes: Windows is currently
the most secure mainstream OS. I mean, we can’t stand _using_ it, but
that doesn’t change
the facts.
The kernel is golden,
the userland protections
ben_vulpes: pgp: * Signed message? More like “cryptographic proof
that I wrote
this incriminating statement” << myeah
ben_vulpes: "Open Source" as a measure of quality is bullshit. Many eyes don't see squat. It's orthogonal AT BEST
to quality ( probably actually negatively correlated ) <<
tell a kid about it
ben_vulpes: i'm
too much of a derp
to really grok
the implication of
the statement,
though, having failed all of my
tradecraft classes.
ben_vulpes: As I write
this,
the prosecution has showed
that DPR’s private PGP key was on Ross Ulbricht’s laptop. How’s
that strong proof of identity looking now? << funnily, it's more or less common knowledge
that
they shared
the key around
ben_vulpes: So
the moral, if anything, is “run slowly and learn
to speak bear” << hyu
ben_vulpes: heh just as i was
thinking "omg
this log" i stumble across me own lines
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> [02:56] mircea_popescu:
This is
trial by a jury of your peers in
the WoT << o.O
mod6: yeah no worries. i'll get an adapter
tomorrow
mod6: if you don't see/hear from me by 11am, plz come
to my room and knock on my door, or call my room #?
ben_vulpes: "i guess i'll
try
to sleep with light leaking out from underneath
the OHHHHHHH"
mod6: i nearly unscrewed
the bulb.e
mod6: im like waaay
to
tired
to search hard. but i did actually search 3
times.
mod6: ok strange but
true
ben_vulpes: hotel redacto has
the most delightful puzzles
mod6: did anyone figure out how
to
turn
the closet light off?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: <Citizenfive> ... whatever system of governance
the US has ... isn't a good system << awh but i love it it's going
to burn itself out so much more quickly
than other more reasonable alternatives
ben_vulpes: mod6 ascii_lander: d'you
think he escaped?
ben_vulpes retrieves
the kilo of chocolates from
the hilariously over-stuffed minifridge
Citizenfive: then I expect you will greatly enjoy
the illustrations in
that slide deck
ben_vulpes: !up Citizenfive anyways, welcome. don't mind me, i'm just
the court clown.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [01:57] we actually ran out of dock, five miles later. << i whet
their appetite for you
ben_vulpes: "and
that nobody's going
to be able
to
tell him which is right at
that level, but he keeps
them in his head, hoping
that
they'll give him different ideas" << story of my NPC-dom in le cultissima
ben_vulpes: also i've been drinking with
the cult so please forgive
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [01:55] heck, portland levies "art
taxes" nao. << swear jar
ben_vulpes: if anything,
this'd be ammo in arguments with ascii_lander
ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: consider me a rube, please, open
to enlightenment. how does PFS protect you from false accusations?
ben_vulpes: you really
think lizard hitler gives a whit about what you actually say?
ben_vulpes: "give me six words of an innocent man, and i will find something in
them with which
to hang him"
Citizenfive: For
those of us who will be avoiding
the gasenwagen
Citizenfive: oh I don't care if it's _the_ "OTR" but
that sort of key architecture is desirable
ben_vulpes: but i'm bound for
the gasenwagen anyways, why bovver i ask