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pete_dushenski: pretty sure
the last one from
trilema didn't come
through
pete_dushenski: i've received
the last few from qntra, but missed a few before
that..
pete_dushenski: well
trackbacks, but i know what you mean.
the
things are borked
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski also in
the news, you didn't send a pingback.
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the video formats available. Click here
to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Oh, and mike did a new
trust
thingy
williamdunne: Yeah it broke
this morning because
there was some error checking missing and btctrading broke it
pete_dushenski: lol you dun understand how sad i was when i first scanned
the logs for
the post i published early early
this morning/late last night... and it wasn't
there
pete_dushenski: let's see if
this
testpost works on scoopbot_revived...
williamdunne: Sure, but even
the bottom of my list can expect
to be done within 6 months
mircea_popescu: besides, erryone gets
to set
their own priorities and so on.
williamdunne: Kinda pathetic if you've been intending
to do something for a couple of years and it still hasn't happened (assuming
the only constraint is
time)
mircea_popescu: speculating because well, never heard anything specific on
the
topic.
mircea_popescu: what i imagine is
the case is - nano was planning
to make an upgraded gribble for what, coupla years now. he's probably
thinking
to have it done in one piece.
williamdunne: Yeah not exactly a big software job. Can be done in a few hours if
that
mircea_popescu: williamdunne
there was some discussion re making
them communicate, but no concrete steps
towards gribble becoming able
to sign its stuff so far.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, prolly a lot more crucial here
than in -otc, so some sort of decoupling was probably unavoidable.
williamdunne: It'd be nice if
they could connect, especially as
they can still verify
the signatures on each.
mircea_popescu: well at
that
time you couldn't
tell what happened. for all you know, nano was usg-kidnapped.
mircea_popescu: turns out
the guy was just
traveling at
the
time (was right around
the new year).
mircea_popescu: gribble went down at some point.
this is rare, but whatever, happens. nanotube was also unresponsive. after a few days in
this position assbot got enabled
to wot
☟︎ williamdunne: Something about downtime and a vulnerability is what I read on btcalpha but not much detail as
to exactly what
assbot: links and
to are not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: who, for what reason, would ever put
themselves in
this situation ?
mircea_popescu: "
the line
to get on
the elevator was a good hour long."
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Yeah, I originally quit using
them because I could never connect
mircea_popescu: williamdunne certainly if you keep going at
the present rate o.O
jurov: yes, bitcoin node using real database is needed...
then electrum server would only need
to add its indexes
BingoBoingo: jurov: Yeah.
Then
there's public servers
that just suck. Laggy, don't always send updates, potential chance
they could begin lying.
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: It used
to be okay, I wouldn't want
to use it now but did its job fine
jurov: BingoBoingo: if you don't mind server knowing your addresses,
then it's fine. otherwise, i agree
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: I really don't see how people could use electrum without
their own node/server (hug-e pain)
williamdunne: BingoBoingo:
They connect
to a single node, who you would assume is fairly well connected
jurov: no it uses stratum/ssl but
that's a
tech detail
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a
toy, like any other. people learning and kids are more
than welcome
to
their fun, what.
williamdunne: Thats what most of
them do anyway, no? i.e in Electrum
mircea_popescu: but people who actually care about 0tx are currently in practice and are in
theory much better served by just keeping vpn links
to actual main nodes.
mircea_popescu: it's
the usg playbook : give more people
the illusion of participation, so you can
take more control of
the underlying processes.
williamdunne: Verifying nodes are good for
those
that care about accepting unconfirmed
tx/s IIRC
mircea_popescu: meanwhile,
the important function of nodes is storage.
mircea_popescu: this is not particularly useful
tho, once you have 10 nodes doing verification, it's done. what's X gonna find
that Y does not ?
williamdunne: Okay, so from a little reading it does seem
that
they keep
the full unspent
TX set. While
they can't provide all
the blocks
to someone who wants everything from
the genesis it does seem like a pretty big improvement
to me - should see a lot more verifying nodes - no?
mircea_popescu: but considering
the rest of
the problems
they have,
to
them it's minor, and
to us... well we didn't care before, either.
mircea_popescu: once people involved start imagining
that holding up signs / drinking coffee is relevant
to bitcoin,
they have somewhat of a problem
mircea_popescu: there isn't anything particularly wrong with
the approach, much like
there isn't anything wrong with holding up a sign, or drinking a cup of coffee.
BingoBoingo: It's hard enough
to find sync worthy nodes in
the wild as is
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I need
to read up on it first before commenting
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Problem isn't
the unspent
tx set, it is
the blocks
mircea_popescu: 'pruning' offers a guarantee
that
the node won't be able
to offer you a block which contains all spent outputs.
williamdunne: Whereas pseudo-nodes just
tell everyone everything
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Pruning nodes can still validate
transactions with recent inputs can
they not? Or do
they store all inputs. Need
to read how it works
BingoBoingo: I really fail
to see much difference between
the pruning nodes and
the pseudo-nodes
mircea_popescu: i imagine what it'll actually lead
to is more people with full nodes running longer shitlists of AOL
type nodes.
williamdunne: Especially as
the blockchain is starting
to get
too big for cheap VPS systems used for most services
williamdunne: Personally I reckon it'll just have more people running semi-nodes, rather
than less people running full
mircea_popescu: but yes, broadly speaking
the efforts of power rangers are irrelevant
to bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: jurov i vaguely recall asking kako
to reference by ip at some point
dub: wondered when I would fall off
the list
mircea_popescu: not bad, not bad. conference last week, fetlife
this week...
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell mike_c also, any idea why some rating comments appear empty ?
gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dub>
thats an interesting one for france given cambodia
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mircea_popescu: which you know... if
they could be made differently more people would have access
to electrons!
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 04:35:24; davout:
their latest solution "check
the referer herp derp" leaves me without words