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mircea_popescu: but, very simply put :
the hand of
the market is
the hand bitchslapping you.
the market is not your mother.
mircea_popescu: silver being a fine example if one is superficial enough
to only look at one example.
mircea_popescu: i believe
the education adlai lacks is
the failure of "cornering
the X market" historically.
trinque: I believe
the
term Adlai is looking for is cartel
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard only
thing
that'll accomplish will be exchanges with emplaced mortar batteries and landmine perimeters.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:54:24; assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai:
the nice
thing about reducing blocksize is
that
the N largest miners could just agree
to not produce larger blocks, and
that would raise
tx fees
through market forces
Pierre_Rochard: only need a swat
team
to raid a btc<->fiat exchange,
they have a few
mircea_popescu: o yeah ? how many
tank divisions does
the city of new york have ?
Pierre_Rochard: well I’m a gaullist, I
tend
to respect sovereignties as a matter of realpolitik
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:49:21; Pierre_Rochard: I
think it’s an issue
today if we
take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue,
that has an immediate effect on
the expected return of mining over
the long run. Not sure
that it would move
the needle on
today’s asic capex
chetty: well
thats how it reads
to me, but I not lawyer :P
mircea_popescu: so wait,
they seriously expect a claim in
the
trademarks of everyone selling
through
them ?!
chetty: so it would seem not sure what 'providing us with content means', just selling
thing via
them?
trinque: like if you upload a logo
to your payment page, you don't own
that logo?
trinque: where do
they have a place
to post content?
chetty: paypal says
they are changing
the
tou
to include
this
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to assert such rights against
the PayPal Group, its sublicensees or assignees.
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to exercise any and all copyright, publicity,
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the content, in any media known now or in
the future. Further,
to
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:40:54; Adlai: hashrate dropping
too low -> need
to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing
tx fee competition
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:25:09; nubbins`:
this is like being arrested by a cop with a
tin badge
mircea_popescu: then
they get butthurt when people say
they have nfi what
they're doing.
mircea_popescu: but srsly : should prolly
talk
to
the doctor. iirc
this is an early sympthom.
davout: sticky eyelids? no
thanks
davout: i keep feeling like "hey, i should
take my contacts off,
they're getting dry", except
there are none
to
take out
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:21:58; asciilifeform: !rate kakobrekla 4 expert infrastructural welder. holds up
the sky.
trinque: obviously any
truism in systems design can be undone by a particular case
trinque: davout |
trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-) << can be quite enjoyable as long as one's not personally attached
to
the outcome
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:03:46; danielpbarron: i had
to look
that word up. seems
to mean "warehouse keeper"
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:02:05; nubbins`: of note:
the
text of
the notice was PGP-signed
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:47:53; pete_dushenski: williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just
that
the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented'
trinque: there's no real reason why
the db can't be involved in application logic
trinque: davout: however, what's wrong with a before
trigger
that does precisely
that?
trinque: maybe we are
talking past each other
davout: trinque: nah, my point was
that
the rdbms-should-enforce-all-structure approach isn't very sensible, unless you're ok eventuall ending up with a spelling and grammar checker for your
text fields
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:16:52; williamdunne: I suppose
the "cringe" is about how brazen it was
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:12:23; mats: i started buying AMZN after it became clear
they had intentions of becoming a USG contractor
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 15:01:11; williamdunne: Eh, not
too concerned about it
Pierre_Rochard: “painted into a corner” is
the phrase
that comes
to mind
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: indeed, I've done it
to myself
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: I’ve seen
this first hand. Unfortunately
the reinvention doesn’t happen until problems arise and
the sunk costs prevent a switch
to SQL
trinque: you'll reinvent constraints, referential integrity,
transactions, so on and so on
trinque: to
the extent
that you choose
to implement it yourself in an application layer, your efforts will approach what is already present and has 40+ years of research behind it in relational databases
trinque: the enforcement of structure can live in
the component you're using
to store data, or in your application layer
trinque: davout | well, you, just pushing
that
to
the extreme
to show
that, even
though i hardly ever use it,
this unstructured nosql approach sometimes is useful, and isn't *inherently* evil like you seem
to imply <<
there is no such
thing as unstructured data, only a question of how rigorously structured it is, and what is used
to enforce
that.
davout: ben_vulpes: whichever is included in a block is frozen in
the amber, but it's not necessarily
the version
that has canonical DER-encoded sigs
ben_vulpes: davout: aren't
txids canonical after block inclusion?
☟︎ funkenstein_: if it is as simple as adding a SIGtype,
that sounds fine but my understanding was
there was still some subtleties on
the
table and gmaxwell said wait 2 years
davout: ben_vulpes: so my plan is
to start bu something easier, probably ripping out
the "accounts" braindamage
to get familiar with
the build and patching process
davout: funkenstein_: dunno, if i'm asked i'm all for canonical
txids
ben_vulpes: (outletpair, actually, and
the unused one.)
ben_vulpes: (i was just
thanked by someone who plugged into
the same outlet as me. wtf.)
davout: ben_vulpes:
testnet excision is easy, making
the genesis block configurable is
the harder part, you also need some standalone
tool
to generate genesis blocks
funkenstein_: davout, is
that all ok and likely
to be folded into reference impls?
ben_vulpes: davout: a change
to block inclusion rules?
ben_vulpes: none of
this half-assed "dear state or magic maths please save me from my own derpitude"
ben_vulpes: either
trust your counterparties and deal with
them, or don't and don't.
ben_vulpes: ya well stop
trying
to impose derpy fiat notions on bitcoin
ben_vulpes: (subject of, davout how goes
the
testnet excision? my digs show less
than 50 mentions
throughout
the whole codebase)
jurov: traditional hawala seems
to work without much
technology, why sudden need
to introduce nonstd or private
TXs?
ben_vulpes: (entirely aside, in a fevered moment of sleeplessness on
the plane from bsas i looked into ripping out
the nonstandard
transaction relay blocking stuff)
funkenstein_: as i see it
these channels will require private
TXs,
that is given directly
to miners,
to avoid malleability issues
ben_vulpes: how could
there be? it is of necessity a meatwot
thing.
ben_vulpes: i was always under
the impression
that
there was no single hawala network.
jurov: or you came up with
this new
term - halawa?
jurov: ben_vulpes: you stretch it
too much
jurov: !s asciilifeform
timelock
funkenstein_: payment channels sound great,
trustless off-chain
TX heaven
Adlai feeds
the head, bbl
ben_vulpes: no no, not
the halawa for
the muslim at
the mosque
jurov: anyone
thought about how
the bitcoin hawala ought
to work?
Adlai imagines hawala also has higher
throughput and lower
transaction importance
than
the hypothetical bitcoin-in-ten-halvings
Adlai: stop
thinking either, start
thinking
tankers full of gold
danielpbarron: let
the former swift users figure out how
to fit
through
the new hole
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: stop
thinking swift, start
thinking halawa