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assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 23:01:04; decimation: unfortunately no floating point unit, but
that isn't needed for
the
target market here
mircea_popescu: imo cooling was
the biggest problem for
the damned blades.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: are you ever going
to post
the Jerusalem follow-up
to your Istanbul article?
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 22:44:55; decimation: usually with power, bus, network, etc supplied as part of
the 'crate'
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2015 22:32:39; ben_vulpes:
there's nothing more undervalued right now
than cheap old blades.
mircea_popescu: trinque re
the dos point of sale, best breakfast p[lace here had one, made like 1985 or some shit
gabriel_laddel B.A.D (bitcoin-assets distro) update #1, I just finished rewriting mozrepl in parenscript. Now
to cut out extra crud.
gabriel_laddel: While we're here, I'll note
that being
tied
to
text (perl) is quite limiting. On CLIM
today I can
tell any object how
to "present" itself, i.e., how
to draw itself on
the screen. Such a
thing is unthinkable in a language based around regexes.
gabriel_laddel: way less mental fatigue looking at
them, I've found << I suppose. One can learn
to read most anything.
The importance here is
the
triviality of generating "syntactically correct" program
texts.
trinque: way less mental fatigue looking at
them, I've found
gabriel_laddel: s-expressions + read
tables are
the ultimate notational abstraction
gabriel_laddel: not only
that - you /must/ have a simple parsing algorithm, else upgrades are a bitch
trinque: gabriel_laddel: sure, seems you need code
to be data
to do metaprogramming well
trinque: it's a wonder I can hit
the
toilet with my ass
☟︎ trinque: then went on
to do python and ruby in industry
gabriel_laddel: <trinque> seems relevant
to
the lisp vs perl
thing << ummm...
the angle I'm attacking
this from is
that meta-programming is inescapable and sexprs are
the only sane way
to go unless you want
to program forth or APL.
trinque: yeah, and I went
to a school
that did C++ and Java, and dropped out of
that
trinque: any "paradigm" of programming you'd like
to use
trinque: and a few months in I'm pretty sure it has goddamn everything, so
to speak
trinque: I was for example shocked
to find an object system in CL as a layman
trinque: perl's an interface
to a handful of problems, ignores other
things
trinque: seems relevant
to
the lisp vs perl
thing
trinque: but you could
then go "oh but
this is not a general interface with concepts applicable
to any UI"
trinque: and he still claims he's faster on
that
than any micros shit, ncr, or even more "modern" UI
trinque: he could enter
things like i 52345 s <ent> 3 <ent> and
that would add inventory number whatever
to
the
ticket 2
times
trinque: converation with my biz partner comes
to mind where he praised
this old DOS point of sale
mircea_popescu: i am merely pointing out
that
the perl-bashing has some serious problems in front of it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: right, so we're
talking about
the difference between systems which
try
to be general solutions
to (not sure how
to articulate it) vs specific
tools which live in a given niche?
mircea_popescu: trinque nah, it's not energetically efficient.
try and power
the jet off
the bird's diet.
trinque: I wonder if we'd have done
the one with
the afterburner having never seen a bird
mircea_popescu: could be punishment for
the usg
twerps. "you now have
to program on
this"
trinque: the whole of evolution unfolding each
time
trinque: little blockchains
themselves
mircea_popescu: trinque consider
the ridiculous happenstance
that all foeti have a god damned lizard
tail
two weeks in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't going nearly as far as any of
that.
mircea_popescu: trinque
the main problem here is
that for a large number of solid considerations, lisp would actually be a much better choice. moreover,
the space alf referred
to is indeed vast, but
the processes narrow. in many spots
the whole
tree converges
to a very very narrow bottleneck.
decimation: mainly because jimmy carter banned recycling because it contained
the word 'plutonium'
trinque: assuming lack of perfect knowledge having multiple
things
to
try seems appropriate
trinque: mircea_popescu: seems like systems where
there are a variety of ways
to solve problems accept
that
they don't know
the "perfect" way, if
there is one
gabriel_laddel: decimation: well, now it is sitting on-site at
the 100 reactor sites across
the US
decimation: yucca mountain was a
terrible idea, in
the sense
that storing nuclear waste instead of recycling it into fissile Pu is retarded
gabriel_laddel: I ended up
trolling
through gov. documents on
the yucca mountain facility (I had previously quoted wikipedia)
trinque: yes, very expensive
to
the host body while it's being made
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: oh, btw
thanks for your input on my document
mircea_popescu: trinque except
the product of reproduction is perhaps
the most expensive
thing
there is
trinque: fast and loose is fine if
the product is somewhat disposable?
decimation: how can anyone even make statements about what
the female reproductive/baby system is doing without examining
the results in each case, in molecular detail?
mircea_popescu: (because cunts obviously aren't free
to choose what
they use, so
the need for perl must be way deeper
than
that)
mircea_popescu: but even if
there isn't a reason for
this : it's so deeply baked into
the structure of
the world, you'll never be free of it.
gabriel_laddel: hence
they'll be beaten in
the marketplace by yours
truly.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel
this is a very minor point.
the chief point, still standing, is
that cunts still run on perl.
there must be a reason for
this.
gabriel_laddel: this conversation is going in
the direction of "heat death of
the universe" so I'll note
that companies
that use e.g., scala have
to hire a lot of people
to regin in
the complexity inherrent in ALGOL.
decimation: did I just stumble into an ongoing
turing
test?
gabriel_laddel: I should note
that "they" (algol programmers)
try
to add
the
tree
traversal properties of lisp
to
their languages
gabriel_laddel: (I'm assuming you're saying "why don't you
think
they don't - do
tree
traversals")