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mircea_popescu: ah that's a point.
davout: mircea_popescu: doesn't really work for some reason, also the SVG tags are embedded directly in the HTML, makes it impossible to open in new tab for example
nubbins`: "don't touch black things because they might be hot enough to send you to the hospital" :D
asciilifeform: re: the 'fuck diplomas' thing
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not that many, i find!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol this re the me vs rnavier piece ?
nubbins`: many of the lessons learned inside the kitchen are uniquely inapplicable outside, as well.
mircea_popescu: ya that one
mircea_popescu: davout it's a svn, you should be able to zoom natively
asciilifeform: not that it is a bad thing - but that the lessons learned inside such a machine are uniquely inapplicable to folks on the groud
davout: mike_c: could you make it possibru to zoom on the wot graphs?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do. << this is the very definition of atomic dirigible.
nubbins`: which is a really nice feature for your employees to have
mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do.
nubbins`: but because it implies the holder is willing to waste time in pursuit of a "maybe"
nubbins`: not because it implies skill or suitability for the position
nubbins`: for the same reason the places hiring programmers care about the B.Sc.
nubbins`: *we* don't, the restauranteurs do
mircea_popescu: why do we care about THAT issuer again ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform the space of "humans who grok their fields" is ever-shrinking
nubbins`: nor to condemn myself to working in restaurant kitchens
mircea_popescu is a chef, for all the diff it makes
nubbins`: but because i don't have the patience to earn the red seal
nubbins`: not because of lack of skill -- i put my way through university cooking and i can blow any self-described "chef" outta the water
asciilifeform: do you see how the situation is analogous to the 'electronics chef' thing ?
nubbins`: TBF i don't think i have a chance as a chef anyway
asciilifeform: and that if you were not in -their- wot, you had no chance as a chef ?
asciilifeform: but if you learned that these folks -were making a living as chefs- ?
asciilifeform: anybody can 'aspire' to whatever.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: were these folks claiming to be professional 'tasters' ?
nubbins`: TBF this gave me a serious case of the o.Os
nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone ☟︎
asciilifeform: and that's how we get the faux-sommeliers who cannot distinguish red from white-with-food-colouring
asciilifeform: nubbins`: skills that cannot be faked or debased, i have a soft spot for, yes. but the fraudsters did find the pill against this, and it was to build entire fraudwots that cancerously spiderweb across any passageway whereby the layman might wander in
nubbins`: guy aces 11 of the 12, declares 12th to be "X or Y", and sure enough it was X
nubbins`: so the old man brings in 12 wooden blanks for turning pens, and a blindfold.
nubbins`: my old man used to work with this guy who claimed he could identify ~12 species of wood by smell alone
nubbins`: skills like this, i have a soft spot for
nubbins`: "tastes like lychee" "wtf does lychee taste like?" "let's go to the grocery store..."
mircea_popescu: more power to him
nubbins`: with a decade and a half of wine tasting under his belt
nubbins`: but srs, i've given a glass of wine to a L2 sommelier and he told me /which country and which grape/ it was made from
asciilifeform: (see ancient snippet in that thread)
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:27:12; asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, why i suggested 'sommelier' as term for the hypothetical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582380 ☝︎
nubbins`: your friends tend to come in 750mL bottles
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they're prolly just bored
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the thread concerned a conversation we had at c3 about a hypothetical profession of 'computer sommelier'
nubbins`: if you see an old man at the grocery store, walking around the produce section and picking up and smelling EVERYTHING, they're probably a sommelier
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:47:48; asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112663 << being a sommelier is more about developing your tongue and nose than about memorizing the taste of x different types of wines ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well obviously they wouldn't be aware.
williamdunne: Not that it makes much difference
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112284 << you'd be surprised at how little LSD this takes ☝︎
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I don't think they are actively trying to compensate, just a side effect
mircea_popescu: the police are trying to compensate, what with the random raping of middle class derps, but it's really a toothpick in a levy breach
mircea_popescu: and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had.
mircea_popescu: one of those nimby problems : violence is not only great, in the general, but sorely needed for functioning society.
williamdunne: I'll agree with that one
mircea_popescu: anyway, violence has the marked ethical advantage that it removes people from the goop where they imagine they are in control of their environmenty and the future.
asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud- ☟︎
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well thats hard to summarize with a formulae as its relative. Normally I would favour the person who was most productive prior to said violence
asciilifeform: attempted to solve, even.
asciilifeform: even u.s. dod (pentagon) thought this was a problem.
mircea_popescu: jurov yeh that's a problem.
jurov: and in the meantime they are not manufactured anymore
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the data center thing would be ideal, i agree, if anyone actually ran amd-only data centers
mircea_popescu: hopefully something more substantial than "most people agree"
mircea_popescu: williamdunne so how do you enact that morality ?
mircea_popescu: no sommelier "deduces" what the better wine is on the basis of watching winemaking videos or some shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but yu're a deductive nut. whereas the job of a sommelier is ipso definitio inductive.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Ah okay, right. That make more sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would have approached from different angle, and suggested that sommelier must have actual understanding of how the damn thing works. as well as a certain amount of reverse-engineering capability.
mircea_popescu: if you construct more complex spaces you get "WasItGood()" and "ShouldItHaveHappened()" etc, but now you are also stuck with the complexity.
jurov: mircea_popescu: you ever asked multiple automechanics which car is the most reliable?
mircea_popescu: well, "just" only exists in a certain context. in the context of violence itself, there's no space for more functions than "DidItHappen()" which returns a bool.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: But I don't see how that makes it just
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So if I were to beat you, it would be just for violence's sake?
mircea_popescu: you similarly don't expect to find experience with cars and car parts at the mechanic's ?
asciilifeform: and data center procurement is the last place i'd expect to find it.
jurov: i have seen numerous people stick to one thing only "because of experience"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very much through experience. but i do not know if anyone actually has this kind of experience.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you achieve this regard other than through experience ?
asciilifeform: for instance, i regard experience with intel boxes as entirely irrelevant to what a hypothetical proper 'sommelier' would do.
mircea_popescu: violence is always just by its own measure. that's what violence is.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So the violence was just? Sorry I'm struggling to follow.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:33; mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112442 << imho this is catastrophically misguided. in the same logic one might suppose that experience manufacturing dog food should be best qualifier for opening a fine steak restaurant ☝︎
williamdunne: Yeah, for sure I'd be glad to use it if you do
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jurov: williamdunne i am trying to put something together , maybe with TomServo but never did it before
mircea_popescu: it being bad is one thing.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne but these aren't involved third parties. so the burned jews are too dead to say, and the burning germans are also too dead to say. at the time however it stands to reason the victims all agreed they shouldn't be victims, and the perpetrator agreed on the contrary pov.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I think its fair to say holocaust is bad
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Yeah, I'd like to see one not operated by a tool
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Most, although I guess thats overly democratic
mircea_popescu: well, not necessarily web, people might want to host irc servers, etc. but yes.
asciilifeform: (various wildlife claim to do it, yes. but no one in wot. and therefore it Does Not Exist)
asciilifeform: williamdunne: aha. it is one of those notably-absent animals