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williamdunne: Seems like a pretty rough line, either way its a choice, and
the outcome is losing future income in return for something
mircea_popescu: williamdunne no, but i also don't ask it
to sent me
to college.
mircea_popescu: yes, yes. but is it a mutual agreement of
that kind, where you're
teh slavegirl.
williamdunne: Their slave? Its a mutual agreement from
the beginning
williamdunne: What if someone else pays for a degree and in return
they get a % of my salary?
williamdunne: I understand with a gender studies degree
though..
williamdunne: If I invest in college, and
the outcome is a law degree, with which I become a lawyer, how is
that not investment?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> in cpanelworld, yeah it does. << haha what is
this madness
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> what'd i run it on ? << it's not actually such a bad idea
to render
the whole
thing as flat files and do something cleverish w/comments
mircea_popescu: like, guy going
to homestead in 1800s utah. if he goes,
there's going
to be his homestead. if he doesn't go...
there isn't going
to be.
mircea_popescu: case I : causal.
this satisfies both implication : with investment
there NECESSARILY exists return ; without investment
there NECESSARILY doesn't exist return.
mircea_popescu: same
thing with "investing in children". sure, you send schmuck
to college, and someone 20 years later is going
to be well educated.
mircea_popescu: while it's
true
that
the somebody who wins might even be
the guy,
the fact remains
that someone'd win whether
the guy bought or didn't buy
ticket.
mircea_popescu: case II : coincidental. guy buys lottery
ticket. someone wins
the lottery.
mircea_popescu: the relation between
the "investment" and
the "return" is purely hallucinated.
mircea_popescu: guy pays fortune
teller for good stuff in
the future. good stuff happens in
the future.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne let's go
through
this, it will be instructive. so, case III, halucinatorily related.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> obviously, and so you're going
to have every soldier cast
the metal for his own gun? << Unreasonabru, but Officers outfitting
their soldiers
to
the Officer's chosen spec has ample historical precedent
ben_vulpes: except for
those guys whose lunch we eat and girls we fuck
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh have I had
that conversation
ben_vulpes: much as
the girlies would like
to "invest in
their quality of life", such is just purchasing a big of hedonism.
mircea_popescu: does your expenditure CAUSE
the return ? is it merely coincidental with
the return ? is it merely halucinatorily related ?
williamdunne: If you expect expenditure
to result in a return?
mircea_popescu: all
the derpy parents
that "invest" in
their children are making a stylistic choice of words, nothing more. it's a waste not an investment.
assbot: Logged on 28-04-2015 18:43:52; williamdunne: davout: If I believe paymium will possibly fail, but
that you're going do something great in
the future, I would be better off investing in you
than paymium
trinque: mircea_popescu: must've missed
that
jurov: since git nor darcs will solve
the conflicts... ou propose using
the AKs?
trinque: if you have
time for
that, great; must not be much of a war
trinque: obviously, and so you're going
to have every soldier cast
the metal for his own gun?
trinque: Adlai | no offense but have you ever fired an assault rifle? <<
this is in no way relevant
to what I said
mircea_popescu: there is such a
thing as
tools
that make people smarter.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: aiui, anything
that does not consist of 'cat | /dev/eip' is not good enough
mircea_popescu: Adlai how about b) and make it good enough so its effect upon
the world is
to make more people of
the like adlai can stand
trinque: surely
there's a balance
to be struck.
trinque: ^ I don't like
that for
the record; let every man forge his own AK
Adlai concludes
that he should a) write
the btc-dev-darcs-wrapper, and b) keep it
to himself, so other people have
to write
their own
trinque: but should a hammer be called for, one limited such
that it cannot be weaponized will also be gimped for hammering
trinque: mircea_popescu: when holding my gun should I wear an arm brace such
that I am prevented from blowing my brains out?
Adlai: (whereas darcs does, but it has its own clusterfuck of
troubles)
Adlai: williamdunne:
the problem is
that git doesn't provide human-verifiable provenance
mircea_popescu: <trinque>
the
tool does not drive
the fucking user << o really.
trinque: the
tool does not drive
the fucking user
trinque: this idea
that
the
tool controls
the user's behavior is absurd
jurov: yes, linus
t. pulls changes from email, not using github
Adlai: jurov: actually, you can go
to .git and start reading
to a much larger degree
than you can do so for .darcs; git provides a provably-attributable signed directory (ie, signed file hierarchy), whereas darcs is a signed diff from... whatever
th efuck came before it
ben_vulpes: not only for mission-critical shit like
therealbitcoin, but even my own work.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dude i guarantee you
that git is
too easy
to use.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suspect in
this sense git may be
TOO easy
to use. at least in some aspects.
ben_vulpes: and i'm not even an expert on
the finer points of
the vcexen in
the wild.
ben_vulpes: no,
that's
the point i wish
to make. you're conflating github with git.
mircea_popescu: <trinque>
the idea needs further development before anyone executes << he has a point, and while attempted executions would prlly be useful iterations, it IS a
timesink.
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: I don't know if
this exists outside of GitHub (I rather assumed it does) but when you fork a repo so its your own version of it, you make changes
to your own copy and
then request
that your changes are merged into
the core repo
jurov: triuque yes, but it does not necessarily equal
to managing history
trinque: jurov: indeed,
that last bit is what I've been harping on
williamdunne: One of
those is a social issue,
the other is solved by not accepting pulls from dickheads, no?
jurov: anyway, primary is
there's verifiable autorship and readable content of patches, plus clear repeatable way
to combine
the patches
ben_vulpes: <jurov> benjy just needed
to vent some steam << naw i just wanted
to restart an ancient
thread
trinque: from
there, perhaps no existing
tool satisfies both
trinque: having history machine readable and enforced is I
think also a fine
thing
trinque: having
the canonical representation plaintext and readable I
think is a fine
thing
trinque: the earlier
thread I
think well represented
the lay of
the land
jurov: and i
think other was
that git stores
them in opaque database. you cannot go
to .git and start reading
ben_vulpes: makes it less likely for people
to review changes.
ben_vulpes: makes large merges
too easy, is at least one of asciilifeform's objections
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: git makes it easy
to pretend
to work on a codebase by reindenting
things
jurov: and what is "patchstore" supposed
to
to what "store" is not
jurov: i don't get it. "by content addressable" i understand somthing like putting sha1 sum in
the URL
williamdunne: Yeah, I've not done much when it comes
to native applications so anything client-side isn't really my boat
trinque: may end up comprised entirely of local
tooling
williamdunne: "Adlai envisions 'wothub' as a content-addressable signed patchstore" well its doable, but I only have 'x' amount of
time
jurov: benjy just needed
to vent some steam
williamdunne: !s not committing
to it while I can't guarantee I'll execute
ben_vulpes: <mats> overengineered, cvs is often good enough << haha nice
try winbro
ben_vulpes: <trinque> not committing
to it while I can't guarantee I'll execute << not worth it imho, leave it for someone like williamdunne
ascii_field: because
this borders on
the utterly ridiculous.
jurov: btw, if a bit lucky, mod_fastcgi was shipped and it's more widely supported
than wsgi
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the apxs ...
thing fails with wsgi_python.h:24:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory and half a meg of other crapolade
Adlai: logged into cpanel as root ?!@ << asif you need root
to fandango
ascii_field: this box is running
ten
thousand
tonnes of extraneous cpanelism
Adlai: or did
the install not involve running anything?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field obviously you have
to first download
the mod.
mircea_popescu: then insert
the resulting so into
the apache config prepended lists