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trinque: mircea_popescu: speaking of women, I've mused before about a service
that handles all financial and bureaucratic considerations for an average american
mircea_popescu: trinque
that's
the "innovation" << exactly. and inasmuch as
the us
tort system is insane,
this is both unavoidable and in a sense useful. but
this doesn't mean uber makes any sense, anymore
than shaving head in women makes sense. "but she's got lice" "well in
THAT case"
mircea_popescu: mod6> So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph
these
things. Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo. << you hear
that alf ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne << wikipedia may not be
the best source of information
mircea_popescu: <mats> why would you possibly want
to use airbnb << it's really a sort of swinger's club for people
that are not really into swinging.
trinque: seems nice for servers in general
too, bad deploy, go back
to previous snapshot
jurov: could be very useful
to roll back corrupted bitcoin database.. if i had snapshotting set up
jurov: i expounded on
that yest
jurov: disk format is stable. runtime not
there yet
trinque: how stable is
that
these days?
jurov: unrelated: if any poor soul is
trying btrfs, use kernel >=3.19.5 . so far much better
jurov: trinque: i'm interested,
too. i did it once but did not made a script from it
mod6: that may help
too. i'll let you know how it goes. much appreciated.
trinque: sure, and I have a working kernel config handy if you want
that
mod6: np. i was more hoping if
this 3rd attempt fails, you could watch over my shoulder
to make sure I don't make any retarded moves.
trinque: cool. dunno when I'll make my auto-deployer
thing, but I'll let you know if
that materializes
mod6: The first attemp's error might have... I only got a glimpse of it once
though, it never let me look at
the System log again for some dumb reason.
trinque: that error does seem
to indicate it
trying
to mount an ext4 as ext3
mod6: anyway, moving on. I'll get
the
test in motion for asciilifeform's new patch.
mod6: maybe
the document just didn't space
the /sys & sysfs properly.
mod6: it's supposed
to be
this, I'm pretty sure:
mod6: sysysfs isn't a
thing
mod6: the instructions
that you posted were slightly off from what is reality on
these environments. (perhaps just a bit old)
mod6: I know for sure I did
that
the first
time... didn't seem
to help. however,
the first attempt, I'm not positive
that I didn't somehow screw-up
the fstab.
trinque: that would probably be it; you need
the xen
turds
turned on in
the kernel in
that case
mod6: anyway, i'll give an update in here after
this next attempt with a new kernel.
mod6: There was some
talk
that one wouldn't/shouldn't need
to change kernels anyway for AWS.
mod6: i didn't do anything special in
that case.
tbh, didn't know I had
to, or even what
to do, if anything.
mod6: now,
the new one I'm
trying;
that one has a .config --
that's actually
the last
thing I just did in
the steps, config'd
the kern, build
the kern. now need
to make
the AMI and
try it.
trinque: well what kernel is it
though
mod6: <+mod6> (this error is from
the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel) << no new kernel, no .config
mod6: i don't have evidence
to support
this claim: i'm very sure everything was setup for ext4
trinque: and you only have
the ext3 support
turned on
mod6: (this error is from
the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel)
trinque: first
thought is whether
that's actually an ext4 volume
mod6: I don't
think I will... so not really sure where
to go on
that.
trinque, I
think you're gonna have
to help me build
this
thing; if you can.
trinque: "We could deploy a carnival so much more quickly if we didn't bother with safety precautions, and instead let each guest assemble his piece of
the rides, and signing off
that he is personally liable for
that part."
mod6: then, I
tried
the same
thing without a new kernel, with
the same result. I'm gonna
try one more
time with kernel and see if I get any different results.
mod6: got an AMI built from stage3 with a new kernel, which promptly kernel panic'd when I used said AMI
to provision a new system
trinque: end-cap on
the
thread is
that
this
trend of Ubering seems
to be about
trying
to dissolve responsibility
mod6: So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph
these
things. Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo.
mod6: so, I have
that deb6 aws env still... I used
to use MRTG, but now I guess
this 'RRD'
thing is all
the rage. I know for sure
that I can
test mem on a 1s interval with vmstat and capture
that with `script`. I'd really like
to compare
the network
traf of full sync with
the patch, and without.
trinque: or god knows what other kinds of mess in
the rooms
trinque: poor hotel cleaning ladies dealt with actual human shit far more often
than I'd have expected
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and yes i wonder about bw. not such megatonnes. <<
this was
the
thought
that came
to my mind
too.
trinque: when I was a
teenager I did IT monkey stuff for a Hilton
trinque: and are a good hotel
to
the extent
that
they do
that well
trinque: hotels are places which deal with
this shit every day
williamdunne: trinque: Doesn't look like
there has been
too much going wrong, a few cases of houses being vandalized, or customers being dickholes
mats: i'd rather be slapped in
the face with half a dozen cocks
than sleep in a mystery airbnb bed
trinque: mod6: right, and everyone on both ends of
the
transaction will ultimately
try
to blame
their reputation system or whatever didn't work
mod6: <+ascii_field> 'we will slip
the cock in with such grease
that you will never notice' << heheh, yeah pretty much.
mod6: <+ascii_field> [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full Orphanage
Thermonuke. << Just saw
this on
the
train & read patch. Great work!
trinque: and we uh, want
to disrupt
mats: and
then move back in
mats: why not just invite a homeless person into my home and let him stay
there for a few days
mats: why would you possibly want
to use airbnb
trinque: so really in intending
to minimize
their risk
they've maximized it
trinque: so
they're going
to get dragged into fight after fight, yet
they're delegating control over
the situation
to just about anyone
williamdunne: Renter you would hope, for not cleaning
the sheets
trinque: first guest leaves ass crabs in
the bed for
the next guest
williamdunne: Seems like a lot more can go wrong with amateur dentistry
than amateur room-renting
mircea_popescu: unlike musk,
they're not actually somebody. hard
to put up a fight. even with graham's efforts.
mats: they're not publicly
traded
mircea_popescu: trinque from what i hear
they're about
to get litigated into
the ground.
trinque notes
that he can't yet find profit numbers for airbnb
mircea_popescu: nobody could have foreseen a blow-up, we're success-oriented
these days
mircea_popescu: sort-of like impromptu dentistry and hobbist airplane piloting,
this.
mircea_popescu: mkay. it's nonsensical
to rent rooms in places not dedicated for
this purpose.
mircea_popescu: it's not legal
to rent rooms in places not deidcated for
this purpose.
williamdunne: Its meant
to be renting spare rooms not a dedicated hotel, no?
williamdunne: People said
they've enjoyed doing it and earn more
than just renting out
the room
williamdunne: I've not used Uber before, but I have used AirBNB and it was cheaper
than a premier Inn but in a really nice house in
the centre of London
mircea_popescu: i fail
to see
the difference between "here's how
to cook if you have hardwood floors" and "here's how
to make 30 bux (out of which we
take half) by
taking on 5k liability"
williamdunne: I don't see it as a scam, maybe you can change my mind, but it seems like a pretty efficient way
to do
things
trinque: sure,
that's been
the whole social web scam since forever
mircea_popescu: airbnb is even funnier,
the fine for being part of it is what, 4-5k in ny ?
williamdunne: Isn't
the 'Uber of'
thing about getting your users
to supply
the infrastructure rather
than getting
the expensive assets yourself?
jurov: because it means,
they are going
to recruit gobs of chumps
to do
their dirty work cheaply
jurov: on second
thought,
the simile is even more funny
trinque: meanwhile somewhere in a dark, dusty WU cubicle, "Sir! You wont believe
this but... someone's *disrupting* us!"
trinque: "er uh... you know how Uber like, disrupted... something? yeah we want
to disrupt
too"
trinque: that's
the new "facebook of X"
mircea_popescu: (there's a passive gossip-y sort of sorting
that occurs as
time goes by, because new clients join and so
the "overall" blockchain is ever more sorted in early blocks as
time goes by)
ascii_field: the purpose of
this patch, incidentally, was not
to cure what ails us, but
to make it possible
to intelligently study
the fragging