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danielpbarron: "Martti Malmi is a former computer science student from Helsinki University of Technology who nowadays works as a software developer. He is well-known for being the first person to join Satoshi Nakamoto in the development of Bitcoin."
trinque: mod6: that parameter is one provided to the kernel at boot
trinque: livegnik: reading that I'm not clear on what "it" is
livegnik: danielpbarron: I like Bitcoin-OTC, even though I haven't used it myself. I do believe that I grasp the concept itself though.
livegnik: asciilifeform: Hopefully this interview I've done with current partner, before I joined the project, clears up what it could be used for in the 'real' world: http://unbit.nl/2014/09/16/martti-malmi-on-bitcoin-and-identifi/
livegnik: asciilifeform: my/Ian's/both our text pain to read?
livegnik: I'm back. Sorry for the interruption.
mod6: trinque: where can I add "rootfstype=ext3" or "rootfstype=ext4" to the list of boot params? I don't see anything thing like that in the kernel config -- except where I've already enabled EXT4 and EXT3
trinque: livegnik: this "guid" you're reaching for is called a keypair
trinque: "I mean, they're all blockchain technology."
trinque: insofar as you're saying will computers run and call themselves asscoin if I create an asscoinnet, sure
trinque: So we can have a "mainnet" can we also have "AliceNet" or "Mynet?" Yes, in theory we can. << this does *not* follow
assbot: WoT Trust - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjNt1e )
danielpbarron: livegnik, what do you make of this? -> http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=danielpbarron
asciilifeform: so far it seems to add up to a 80% re-implementation of the proper wot out of toothpicks and tape.
asciilifeform: the text is astonishingly painful to read.
trinque: aside that it just strings together analogies ☟︎
trinque: So we're all the same -- we people are the same as smart contracts, as block chains, etc, and we should be able to make recipe that describes us. We should be able to collect all these things together and make it such that we all look the same. << wtf
livegnik: The people you know and trust (for whatever reason) basically, and therefore have verified.
livegnik: You could put it that way, yes. But it can visualize sybil swarms by showing the few 'real IDs' linking to it.
asciilifeform: this is how existing wots work. but to say that this 'solves sybils' is, at the very least, odd
asciilifeform: so your system reduces to 'if you trust 1,001 people who turn out to be sybils, shame on you, you oughta have known better' ?
livegnik: The identity to whom the whitelist belongs.
livegnik: Also, you can find the proof-of-concept on GitHub: https://github.com/identifi/identifi
asciilifeform: try to answer this one compactly, it should be answerable. who composes the whitelist ? ☟︎
livegnik: There's no whitepaper atm, so the comment in that article probably explains it best/most thus far.
livegnik: Might be tl;dr though ...
livegnik: asciilifeform: A set of attributes, identifiers. I've extensively elaborated on it in the comment on Ian's article.
livegnik: asciilifeform: Mostly a whitelist. Whitelisting solves the Sybil. The thing is, whitelisting hasn't been very user-friendly up till now, without the security trade-off.
assbot: Financial Cryptography: The Sum of All Chains - Let's Converge! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMAFN )
livegnik: Yesterday I've written an extensive comment on Ian Grigg's article about ID issues, especially in combination with the blockchain. It's quite the read, but I think it'll be worth your time, if you want to get a more in-depth view of Identifi: ☟︎
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, people? (how do you decide what constitutes a person?)
livegnik: It's a protocol for identity management for both humans, entities, and machines. It gives the ability to create Sybil-proof WoTs (to the extent that the least trustworthy node added, decides the strength of your security), for almost anything.
asciilifeform: livegnik: consider telling us what you perceive is the advantage of your product over what you now know is the state of the art.
livegnik: I've just bumped into it, thanks to danielpbarron pointing me to it, and that's how I've ended up in here :)
asciilifeform: livegnik: are you familiar with the 'wot' we use here ?
asciilifeform: (naturally, usg will pocket the bulk of this difference, but such is the nature of muppet war)
asciilifeform: there will be myriad parasitic waterfalls like 'uber', i expect, which feed upon the difference between what it -actually- costs to do something like driving cab - at butugychag subsistence levels with zero regard for the meatbag's future - and what usgtronic tentacles which masquerade as american firms presently charge.
mod6: I should re-iterate that I'm still waiting on a pogo to come to me...so this v0.5.3.1+OrphanageNuke test is running on AWS deb6 (amd64)
asciilifeform: in the sese that random schmuck driving 'uber' has no paperwork, no pensions, no unemployment insurances, cannot sue for anything, etc.
asciilifeform: <trinque> end-cap on the thread is that this trend of Ubering seems to be about trying to dissolve responsibility << this is part of it, but the major profit comes from de-institutializing - de-usgizing - the cabbies and hotels
trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah they were total trolls at my old gig ☟︎
asciilifeform: <trinque> poor hotel cleaning ladies dealt with actual human shit far more often than I'd have expected << one of the major brainmelters for me, when i went to c3, was that the gurlz who serviced the hotel rooms, were pretty
mod6: it's fine, I just didn't realize that in the filename, the turdolator uses SHA1
livegnik: I didn't know in what other way to describe it in ~140 characters. Open for suggestions / feedback anytime :)
asciilifeform actually used 'uber' for the first - and so far, only time - getting back from airport after c3
danielpbarron: "CEO & Co-Founder of Identifi -- Collaborating on an Open Source Protocol for Sending Trust over the Internet; Advancing the Wild Wild Web into a Web of Trust."
livegnik: I'm Tim Pastoor, co-founder of Identifi. I'm just the business developer who's working on the project. Sirius is the real dev in there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu> sort-of like impromptu dentistry << big business in the turd world (of which usa is properly considered - a part)
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> airbnb is even funnier, the fine for being part of it is what, 4-5k in ny ? << 'airbnb', 'uber', etc. fill a direly urgent market niche in usa - 'orcish' favour-style services for folks with no friends. it would take a very strong chance of being busted, for folks to quit using these. (consider what is the penalty for, e.g., smoking weed - does it deter?)
asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> there's yer answer: it's sha1 << why do we have sha1 anywhere ☟︎
asciilifeform: <mod6> meanwhile in gentoo land, kernel panic'd again << that's not a real kernel panic, again. that is a box that can't read its rootfs
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> tho i suppose this one's small enough to read << they should ALL be small enough to read.
asciilifeform started valgrindized run of thermonuked-orphanage tester
assbot: nullc comments on Why increasing the max block size is urgent | Gavin Andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuFigz )
danielpbarron: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34uu02/why_increasing_the_max_block_size_is_urgent_gavin/cqycy4h "Rather, the only push you see against larger blocks come from strong advocates of personal autonomy and decenteralization, like Peter Todd; or the MPOE crowd (regardless of what you might think about them, they wouldn't be any to bend to commercial or government interests)." ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: either 1) don't or 2) build ext4 into the kernel
mod6: i try it with that...
mod6: i thought that one thing said that I didn't need Grub unless i was using hvm or whatever.
trinque: for the kernel boot parameters provided by the bootloader, might be via this thing https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/UserProvidedKernels.html
mod6: i guess I can rebuild again and stick that in there.
mod6: i had build this kernel yesterday. i don't see anything about "ROOTSTYPE" in my config that I used... (posted above)
mod6: that's for the kernel config right?
trinque: on the kernel command line
trinque: did you try that rootfstype=ext4 ?
mod6: check the last 3 lines of this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-hardened-nomultilib-custom-kernel_panic3.txt
mod6: mine matches just fine too. thx for digging that up.
danielpbarron: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev The system will rename the patch and add unique identifier (SHA-1 hash of the contents) to the filename, both in the outgoing email and in the archives. Any additional signatures must refer to this received filename including the hash.
danielpbarron: to make it a pain in the ass to verify any of this stuff; to set the bar high so as to keep out the children
mod6: yeah, shoudn't being the key word there; in my mind, it certainly should match.
danielpbarron: the patch.sig is by ascii's key, so it shouldn't matter what it hashes to or what btc-dev says
mod6: The hash referenced inthe email was for the bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE.tar.gz tarball, which is correct.
mod6: i thought it /was/ supposed to be the same. but, maybe im just derp derperton tonight.
danielpbarron: it should match whatever hash ascii referenced in his signed email message though
mod6: ok gotcha. just need some clairification from jurov on that.
danielpbarron: i'm not sure it's supposed to come out the same as the thing that gets shoved into the filename
mod6: if not, see if they came out same as mine from my dpaste
mod6: yep, got that too... but check the sha256's of the dl'd patch files, see if they match the checksums that the ml inserted into the file name.
mod6: ... taking gentoo snapshot for 3rd AMI attempt.
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, agreed. I did look it over, and is matching from website as far as I can tell. & byte count is the same.
mod6: these are the commands I ran:
trinque: maybe relevant to your barf message
mircea_popescu: tho i suppose this one's small enough to read
mircea_popescu: mod6 iof the hashes don't match you shouldn't generall merge
mod6: http://dpaste.com/1NHSMPB.txt << patched into bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE, sig looks good, although the hash's didn't match what the filename was changed to on btc-dev ml
Pierre_Rochard: asians understand the value of good accounting, went to school with many of them
Pierre_Rochard: poor people don’t have money problems, they have lack of money problems
Pierre_Rochard: yeah this isn’t for poor people
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: agreed, I’m thinking I’ll have a source code subscription for the hacker types, and a hosted treasury concierge for the lazy/busy
mircea_popescu: should be a very interesting world once the us is poor and east/central asia ric
trinque: I'm not sure there's enough allowance left to allow sufficient margin for the accounting service
trinque: they just want to be given an allowance by dad after everything's handled
trinque: nobody wants to do their damn taxes, or pay their own rent
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: very cool; I think americans would pay for a managed version of this
Pierre_Rochard: I have a “personal finance” chart of accounts and a “service business” chart of accounts, they’re CSVs that are easy to customize
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: trinque yup that’s right up my alley
mircea_popescu: you mean Pierre_Rochard s thing ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: looks interesting; this is for maintaining and publishing your books?
mircea_popescu: i imagine Pierre_Rochard 's thing is actulaly very close to that. prolly bestwork as a wrapper on it
trinque: you give it your paychecks, it makes sure your taxes are done, all that, and gives you an allowance