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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:06:25 mp_en_viaje: All the CP1252 characters are also available in Unicode. For example the CP1252 character 146 that you mentioned (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK) has the Unicode number 8217, therefore you should use this number in order to conform to the HTML standard. Modern HTML browsers like Netscape 4.0 understand Unicode, and will automatically convert the Unicode character ’ back into the character 146 on MS-Windows mach
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:05:50 asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally
asciilifeform: and whoever doesn't like it, can write own logger. and if mp_en_viaje wants to tear off my epaulettes and make own logger in cobol, he can.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 22:26:42 lobbes: and for good measure, the original list with loglines
asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally
asciilifeform: lemme guess, it came to mp_en_viaje in a spam ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: link gives only login prompt
deedbot: diana_alt voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_en_viaje: !!up diana_alt
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:27:55 mp_en_viaje: billymg, http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/
lobbes: and for good measure, the original list with loglines
lobbes: asciilifeform: if it helps, here is the full hexdump of the problem #e indicies
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: given context, chances are it wasn't even 'lamp' but.. microshit
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i distinctly recall that it in fact is 1 of those 'indian coad' wwws that randomly drops db commits
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'oldcunt lobby' prolly Officially holds that gurlz 'peak' at 55. they can apply their standard, i can apply other.
asciilifeform: i guess possible, '"I s-s-said that they w-w-weren't hogs. They were s-sows", Slim managed to choke out, so overcome with fear that a thin stream of hot liquid diarreah began to dribble...'
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in vaguely related lulz : http://vagazine.com/vaga_v3/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Sharon_Gault_makeup_David_LaChapelle4.jpg
asciilifeform: as portrayed in mp_en_viaje's 'unflattering truth'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 18:46:25 mp_en_viaje: and automattic paid in kelly bundy money. hey dorks... you could've hit me up, the half bitcoin or w/e you actually got for the "valuable online property" is not so hard to match for the actual billionaires in this world.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 04:22:13 mp_en_viaje: ant to continue : https://internet.com/ ; much like IAC, QuinnStreet is a "S&P 600 Component", you know, with supposed revenue out of those shit "properties" and assorted other self-imagined bullshit. believe.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-18 02:05:52 mp_en_viaje: because it takes a certain dose of insanity to think the equation you solved was the equation that was being presented. you recall that episone in married with children when christina applegate was saving cereal box K's to buy car ?
asciilifeform: i genesised 5000ln+ of fucking asm!! last month. and scarcely expect that anyone will read, aside maybe from mp_en_viaje's gurlz as a punishment detail. but it has to be done.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's logger intended moar as ice breaker ship, to make the subj navigable, than final solution. and 'final' -- as already detailed by mp_en_viaje -- would be a constellation of heterogeneous items that know how to speak a common sync, operated by diff people.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:45:17 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, in principle, yes. historically i kept discouraging you personally from making logger because to my (admittedly -- naive) mind it was task perfectly suited to ambitious youth
asciilifeform: i dun so much suffer from anxieties, but would like folx to know that currently asciilifeform built not proper wall, but the kind portrayed in mp_en_viaje's old ro piece where 'builder stands and holds up'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no, i get. but i dun have a squad of people who will immediately report ' asciilifeform broke leg, is in ditch ' . have 1, who is trained to report -- if doesn't simultaneously break leg/neck with asciilifeform .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:42:26 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, but hard to like-phf when actually communicating things, on one hand. and on the other, hopefully multiple of these.
asciilifeform: i admit, i half-expected mp_en_viaje to pick up his skepter and declare 'this here is only working logger atm, and the breaking turd is a uniturd from bot, let errybody else lose the 6lines'
asciilifeform: i'ma fix the uniturdism in coming days. and diddle the log as described by mp_en_viaje . but when next net split, or bot eventually falls (no one afaik has yet written/hosted bot that did not fall at least erry 6wks ) we will have to revisit the wat-do
asciilifeform: the whole q reduces to gossipd, as mp_en_viaje pointed out already. atm we're attempting to hand-crank gossipd.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 11:27:26 asciilifeform: diana_coman: atm i'm somewhat curious whether the logotron is even reproducible
asciilifeform: depending on what means 'stable' mp_en_viaje could be right.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: phuctor running since '13 on it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm not married to a particular set of junkyard wrecks out of what people to make loggers. but the solution has to be reasonably automatic, or e.g. asciilifeform for the rest of his days will be doing nuffin but munging db, and it ~still~ won't be satisfactorily correct
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm not about to make argument 'eh i have drinking to do , rather than sync logs'. but if it takes fleanode 100msec to make a split, and asciilifeform -- 5min to fix it, this is not tenable to maintain promise of 'ultimate log'
asciilifeform: ideally 'canonical' log imho would live in the rack under mp_en_viaje's throne. is how historically this sorta thing worx
asciilifeform: suppose asciilifeform , mp_en_viaje , and BingoBoingo , all ended up on 1 side of netsplit.
asciilifeform: the other side of this, is q of 'what is canonical log' . i.e. is it mp_en_viaje's terminal (runs for 3-4 hrs / d ? and where did not even notice index off, asciilifeform had to notice and ring alarm ) ? asciilifeform's term ? (runs 24/7, but down for maybe 10min / yr ) ? or dulap 's ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re the log indices, there's a deeper q, that i'd like to lay out and ask mp_en_viaje to actually take halfhr+ to think about, with brain in full throttle, before answering, cuz it is very easy to spec this in such a way that asciilifeform's (or anyone's) pair of hands will not in fact be long enuff or fast enuff to handle
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 12:34:04 mp_en_viaje: most of my implements started life as... pet toys, at pet store. all sorta silicone beaters, ball launchers that are epic for hurt and so on
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i considered also to put 'delta' integer column in the db, specifically for this.
a111: Logged on 2019-08-14 16:28 mp_en_viaje: more practically :
a111: Logged on 2019-08-14 16:26 mp_en_viaje: i dunno that they're synced
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right : e.g. http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2019-8-14#479080 vs http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-14#1928706 ☝︎
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm still waiting to hear from e.g. ben_vulpes re what he did when bot fell down, to sync the indices with phf's
asciilifeform: can easily do this, but does mp_en_viaje want ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'fix the refs' as in, modify stored lines ?
asciilifeform: i'ma not attempt to do anyffin about this unless mp_en_viaje says specifically what ought to.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-06-19 23:21:04 mircea_popescu: I myself used a Hole Hawg to drill many holes through studs, which it did as a blender chops cabbage. I also used it to cut a few six-inch-diameter holes through an old lath-and-plaster ceiling. I chucked in a new hole saw, went up to the second story, reached down between the newly installed floor joists, and began to cut through the first-floor ceiling below. Where my homeowner's drill had labored and whined
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 12:29:47 mp_en_viaje: billymg, im actually working on a universal blog spec. it atm looks like
asciilifeform: i recall a mp_en_viaje piece where explained which parts of vacuum cleaner are best for this
billymg: asciilifeform, mp_en_viaje: incidentally i recently stumbled upon that article myself and shared with pet -- was happy that she both understood it and enjoyed it
billymg: mp_en_viaje: in theory we could write the tools that do what the heathen stack does, but i honestly think, given the intended purpose, it makes more sense to temporarily use them and then discard
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:18:36 mp_en_viaje: now then, linux ~could have~ also been the definitive video stack, giving itself a lease on life extending past ~now. but then they fucked it all up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: already found bugs using it !
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:28:54 mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue. that's what it's gonna be. call them what you will, but try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from the rope store and server from the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: found it -- http://trilema.com/2013/the-delusion-of-infrastructure/
billymg: mp_en_viaje: responded to your comment on the tester post http://billymg.com/2019/08/mp-wp-automated-testing-proposal-and-vpatch/comment-page-1/#comment-33
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was drawn into bitcoin (specifically as portrayed by mp_en_viaje ; was never in the tardstalk forum , and http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 until encountered mp_en_viaje ) specifically because appeared, to asciilifeform , to be the 1st known instance of a successful defense against the 1-5 rot progression .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje had a piece ( where is it, grr ) where '1) actual people make a thing 2) herd finds it 3) herd 'also wants' 4) herd 'regulates', 'manages' 5) actual-people pack it ...' etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if i find a piece by actual human being on subj, will post.
asciilifeform: to pile on the upstack thrd tho : lamp, as i see it, was linux's great ~calamity~. w/out rise of www, linux (or, moar likely, the bsd's) would have stayed small, obscure ( like many of the other systems asciilifeform worked with , that actually work and mp_en_viaje never heard of, or heard of strictly in 'facebookized' variants ) but... working. i.e. remained a green shoot in the pavement, for however long .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: unfuck split [ ] ? this is good idea imho
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:12:26 mp_en_viaje: com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/][point in case example].
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:18:36 mp_en_viaje: now then, linux ~could have~ also been the definitive video stack, giving itself a lease on life extending past ~now. but then they fucked it all up.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has somewhat atypical ( and to mp_en_viaje , grating ) pov re linux because was never wwwist (until voluntarily fell on this grenade for tmsr work) , instead earned bread for yrs on such things as ~non networked~ linux boxen where crunched numbers, drove eldritch machinery, etc
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:21:21 mp_en_viaje: so, not to put too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe to make yourself feel "different from the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments. the fact of the matter is, linux exists for and through and by and because apache, mysql, and the glue gluing these together : php. that's wha
snsabot: Logged on 2018-07-12 14:00:03 mircea_popescu: but do you recall the case of the misfortunate doria charge ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:13:51 mp_en_viaje: i am aware various sysadmin-y folks flatter themselves that "something unixlike'd have existed anyway for our terminal&cmdline needs". this is utterly false, they'd have been clucking at GUI interfaces exactly like the medical profession / barristas everywhere, and been thankful when .jar finally rolled around.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:16:47 mp_en_viaje: the 1990s "tech support" kiddo (perhaps best typified by thorne, who is a faggoty "designer" ; though i'm aware everyone'd rather it be "BOFH" or whatever similar self-wank) running grep over everyone-workking-at-the-videostore's hoemdirs never had any say or pulled any weight. toxicfact or haetfact or wha
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:47:31 mp_en_viaje: i get it, the concept grates, "but mp, i could design so much better systems" no you couldn't. the linux thing was successful ~coincidentally~. a space of possibilities was explored, and this is what STUCK. you can't design a better pile of nonsense for the exact reason you can't design a better elephant trunk : it wasn't fucking designed! it's what stuck!
asciilifeform: and from certain pov (e.g. scrap dealer's, who only melts it down) all the rusty carcasses in junkyard are ~exactlysame. but from pov of the folx who go in when mp_en_viaje asks 'build a tank by mid august' -- not quite same.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm not about to defend individual pieces of the rusting junkyard from which built e.g. logger;
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-27 16:37:59 mircea_popescu: gnu managed to drive directx into the ground, on the strength of naive if well meaning contributors, and then managed to give the advantage back to windows, and snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory, on the strength of imbecile management.
asciilifeform: goodnight(morning?) mp_en_viaje
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 13:33:53 asciilifeform: so i still suspect it aint the pipe ( diana_coman lives at piz )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have no desire for 'improved apache', any more than for 'improved ms vb'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if yer happy to live with 'teletype' i'ma entirely happily leave it entirely alone
asciilifeform: i don't presently know why mp_en_viaje makes special pleading for apache et al to exempt'em from 'software is univerally shite'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: may well be doomed to write www serv before this is over.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ostensibly was supposed to impedance-match, buffer, filter ddosistic shenanigans, etc. but turns out -- double-edged
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: utf16?!
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes, wanna come out of coma and say how you ate arbitrary unibarf ?
a111: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:31 lobbesbot: Logged on 2015-08-26 20:04:33: <mircea_popescu> "Or in my case, re-write a cooking book. So ladies and gentlorans, I give you Foxy’s Euloran Cookbook V1.1,"
lobbesbot: Logged on 2015-08-26 20:04:33: <mircea_popescu> "Or in my case, re-write a cooking book. So ladies and gentlorans, I give you Foxy’s Euloran Cookbook V1.1," ☟︎
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:49:12 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, and more importantly ... if you have it published today to lookat it in 2029 you can ; and if not you... can not. and so on.
lobbes: No rush to sign anyway. Main reason I even published was mp_en_viaje's solid reasoning >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927639
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928256 << it is inconclusive if the eggogs are a result of the znc2tmsr converter, or the znc logs themselves. Now that I have your logotron pressed onto my cuntoo workstation, I aim to get some irssi #e logs and run them through diana_coman's irssi2tmsr converter, and then snarf that into your logotron to see if I also get barf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 17:08:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: my pov, is that would like to get all 'magick' the fuck out of logotronics.
asciilifeform: for comparison : diana_coman's www via this same tool .
asciilifeform: so i still suspect it aint the pipe ( diana_coman lives at piz )
snsabot: Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 10:41:12 mp_en_viaje: 3s for 80kb is scandalous, but i'd say it's the poor q of your bw, nothing you can do about that from software.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly i did not elaborate , but on box's own shell, if viewing through ngx , fully 1-2s moar delay than if direct to port where py proggy
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 10:37:40 mp_en_viaje: $ time curl http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 yields real 0m5.405s
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hm why graphic browser gives < 1s for same here ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ty for the tool link, will try with it
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: log now also 1-2s here ( ~3 for the 'heavy' historic pg linked earlier )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 06:02:15 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 13:29:09 mp_en_viaje: and yes alflog still teletype, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 loaded in ~5s