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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm also thinking MPEx account keys, et al
mircea_popescu: it moves from metaphysics to techne, as it were.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like the difference between knowing and not knowing that washing hands prevents peripueral fever. now, for as long as you don't know, you don't know. once you do know, it all reduces to a question of how well you washed your hands.
asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways << mircea_popescu has a link earlier, with strong set, and how it doesn't seem to contain almost anyone we know of any reason to give a fuck about
mircea_popescu: whereas for the unaware, this question unposed, everything they do is a waste.
mircea_popescu: that IS a get out of the circle card. because once you're aware, everything you do is more or less successful, but nevertheless in THIS line.
asciilifeform: it is even conceivable that cockroach is aware of boots.
mircea_popescu: i meant, you're aware of the ownership problem.
asciilifeform: notice that being aware, isn't a get-out-of-shit card
asciilifeform: but, <mircea_popescu> ... either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
mircea_popescu: because you seem aware of the problem.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i dun think you qualify << why the hell not
BingoBoingo: Who hasn't. With all the mongo and the beans
mircea_popescu: isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ? ☟︎
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BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways
mircea_popescu: anyway, the strong set's not much more than 40-50k keys or so, iirc.
mircea_popescu: in other news, Submissions: 18160 / Known Moduli: 14733 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 2018
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell. << quite. and quite shockingly how it works in bitcoin too.
mircea_popescu: "the top of the bottom of the swamp is a top too!"
BingoBoingo: The fiat fail is a pattern though. People near the top like Blair and Bradley with ItBit or Altman with CoinBase say they are cool with the law and people lower down in Utah and Iowa say STFU they have laws too.
BingoBoingo: In other news most of my meatspace contacts are now getting that rosebush as mother's day presents. Just looking at the odds it is almost inevitable of of their moms is going to pirate it.
mircea_popescu: the problem with not being an independent agent is exactly this : the loser's dilemma. either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
mircea_popescu: they got their marchin' orders.
BingoBoingo: And yet all of the people previously demonstrated to be aligned against Bitcoin while acting otherwise really seem to be sweating this
mircea_popescu: decimation : the idea that the poor have some sort of choice or whatever is so damned laughable. to quote myself, "Not only is the consumer about as screwed as is currently the case, but to everyone's benefit he has just been clearly proven yet again that revolt = being fucked in the ass harder, longer, with a thicker implement with sharper barbs on it. "
BingoBoingo: It took a lot of time to get the Qntra gloat piece at just the right amount of gloat.
mircea_popescu: it's a lot of fun watching the bug squirm.
mircea_popescu: or else ensuring through silence the charge fails.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the amusing dilemma of the defeated being, of course, that they're stuck either exposing themselves in a doomed charge,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think you qualify.
decimation: not so much for the middle
decimation: asciilifeform: also note that the people at the bottom and top of the income spectrum have plenty of tax-free income opportunities
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. also if you have $3 mil per year income, it is highly likely that you have many times that in net worth, and thus can modulate your taxable income at your leisure
asciilifeform: given as, e.g., many forms of de-facto income are not taxed in any way whatsoever
decimation: so the rates 'look' fair while being a stumbling block for the up-and-coming
asciilifeform: the whole % thing is bogus
decimation: note that 20% hurts someone making $100k way more than 30% hurt someone making $3 mil
decimation: the top 20% pay 20% tax rate, and the top 1% pay 29%
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/tax_burdens_by_quintile/ < note, the obstacles placed in front of 'rising kulaks' are subtle
decimation: asciilifeform: imagining that you can use the king's scrip against him is silly
asciilifeform: (or, in most cases, separating you from your crumbs was not a thermodynamic win)
asciilifeform: if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell.
asciilifeform: dekulakization is the textbook separation of money from folks who thought it automagically bought power.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, there are two goals - keep the underclass paid off and keep the kulaks from threatening your merit-washed heirs
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
decimation: not gonna happen, but would be lulzy to see it tried
decimation: saying they ‘want’ such a policy – and backing the (D) pols who propose it. "
decimation: asciilifeform: his remedy: "For starters, (1) Get absolute rid of all tax advantages for setting up ‘Family Foundations’ and ‘Blind Charitable Trusts’ and all that BS. GET COMPLETE RID OF ALL SUCH STRUCTURES. (2) Giant wealth-tax – like 95% flat garnishment – on all net-worth above, say, $10 million.Then let’s just see how many Richie Progressives (not to mention Warren Buffets) of the world go around in the media
decimation: elect will throw them some bread & circuses) to keep them off his and his family’s back."
assbot: No, the rich don’t ‘want to pay more taxes’ | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQuR8c )
decimation: https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/no-the-rich-dont-want-to-pay-more-taxes/ < "One reason such policies appeal to Richie Progressive is that the alternative he fears – the real fear – is populist-driven wealth garnishment, if not full-on ‘The Purge’-style unrest, expropriation, and lynching. By ostentatiously claiming to ‘want to pay more taxes’ he primarily hopes he is tossing the masses a bone (and the (D)s he helps
decimation: computers use power, cost money, expose one to risk
decimation: and bitcoin, for that matter
decimation: of course, you pay to save gold too
decimation: utilization fee” of 1 percent a year on deposits in excess of the money they need for their operations. "
decimation: trinque: what about being charged for saving < http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/negative-interest-rates-may-spark-existential-crisis-for-cash < "JPMorgan Chase recently sent a letter to some of its large depositors telling them it didn’t want their stinking money anymore. Well, not in those words. The bank coined a euphemism: Beginning on May 1, it said, it will charge certain customers a “balance sheet
asciilifeform 'knows what means' for what that's worth
asciilifeform l0lz as usual, because is one of these people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means << :
BingoBoingo: <trinque> the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged << But you aren't saving, you are lending
trinque: smacks of the thing where nobody's capable of taking action unless externally "incentivized"
trinque: the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged
decimation: Russ's children being unable to gain 'risk-free' returns at the bank actually is a good thing in my opinion
mircea_popescu: welllll... what else could have happened. "it's easier" is the siren song of the "you will NEVER matter" siren.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round off the capital thing : without ownership you can not force anyone to care about you. whether you can or can not force me to care about you, i will force you to care about me. the illustration of this narrative are the sufferances of young gavin. he drank the "piketty" aka libertard coolaid, and now here he is, wondering what the fuck happened.
BingoBoingo: Yellow Dog linux similarly could not improve. Was PPC Mac linux, when PPC Macs faded and other *nic found the platform faded
mircea_popescu: this isn't a worry. this is empathy. i understand how fucked the bug is, even as i crush it under my boot. it is, after all, a bug.
mircea_popescu: bitch, i don't "worry" about the future. i know what capital formation is, and what ownership is, and so on. these kids will never matter, because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means.
mircea_popescu: too late to improve on tails.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing << how would tails cease being a thing.
mircea_popescu: who would have thought, the us copying mexico. except, of course, everyone aware of history.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> unrelated >> http://newsru.com/world/01may2015/mexico.html << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper << how convenient for the us that mexico is actually going through the motions ahead of it.
decimation: "Guest: Let's think about how strange that observation is. You're absolutely right. But just to drive home the point of how strange that is, this worry the people have, you and many others, is occurring at exactly the same time that Thomas Piketty has become famous making exactly the opposite claim--that the capitalists are doing better and better and the workers are doing worse and worse"
decimation: is, 'Well, what's the point?' They look at their savings accounts, they are getting pennies. Pennies. And it's a fool's game."
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/scott_sumner_on.html < "One of the things that disturbs me about the current world--and this is irrational, I suppose--but it bothers me that my children are growing up in a time when the return to setting money aside for the future is close to zero. So, when you say to them, 'You could save some money and don't have to buy everything with the money you have,' their response, which is correct,
trinque: ah the great dick revolution of 2022
mod6: they love the cock
BingoBoingo: Break their spirit
BingoBoingo: Let NSA see all the dick pics
BingoBoingo: Nah, you send the dick pics on Snapchat so NSA can see and become demoralized and desensitized
trinque: yeh I can twiddle the knobs on postfix, wouldn't mind sharing
trinque: (admittedly I've put way too much effort into having email handled by a box under my own control)
asciilifeform: it isn't like enemy didn't get a copy of ciphertext in transit..
ben_vulpes: (and lots of stuff that isn't!)
ben_vulpes: just us children of the cloud
asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third << i favour 'dehpehbeh', like 'kgb' is pronounced. but that's just me.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I more astounded the "privacy" crowd still uses IMAP over POP3
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing
asciilifeform: bottom two - more interesting
asciilifeform: trinque: i was never even briefly interested in his top level of abstraction
trinque: sounds awesome; typically called transactions not events
trinque: "When Arvo is working, ^C cancels the event it's working on. This event never happened. Don't worry, nothing bad will happen to your computer."
trinque: asciilifeform: would probably help one assess the ideas if it were possible to tell what they are
assbot: Tails - Claws Mail leaks plaintext of encrypted emails to IMAP server ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBUUDy )
BingoBoingo: Oh, look what the theater people are calling a vulnerability nao https://tails.boum.org/security/claws_mail_leaks_plaintext_to_imap/
ben_vulpes ricocheted off the thing
asciilifeform: the whole thing is/was an explicit, entirely deliberate departure from commonly-held 'sanity' and in so far as it was this, it was worth paying attention to.
asciilifeform: assigning more or less memorable, short names to useful things
asciilifeform: trinque: at least initially, he used syllable gen to name -all- the ops