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asciilifeform: nobody's about to pour and slice a Si boule as volunteer.
asciilifeform: anyway, 'they' aren't here because they are over in that other place where work - with however much friction and statal theft in the loop, sure - turns into food, houses, coke, etc. see also http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html
mircea_popescu: cunts make kids not vegetables, and things don't scale like this.
mircea_popescu: "my wife couldn't even give birth to an eggplant, what hope is there she could make me an heir"
mircea_popescu: moreover, this is entirely not related. things don't scale like this.
mircea_popescu: yeah at the time. she needed a house.
asciilifeform: ^ hm, i missed this
mircea_popescu: for that matter, she was saved from ending up in the street by someone here iirc.
mircea_popescu: this is not actually true. we could, she didn't want to.
mircea_popescu: "looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915."
asciilifeform: except they'll be here shortly after 'here' can even afford to feed the secretary catgurl.
mircea_popescu: it costs the world to them.
mircea_popescu: it costs nothing - to us.
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: what happens once they're all here ?
asciilifeform: and so they can charge $B.
asciilifeform: it costs $1B because there are six people who can honcho a fab
asciilifeform: the 'fab costs $1B' is merely a -symptom- of the real problem
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very glad you asked. because this is 'teachable moment'
mircea_popescu: most of the cost is not the machinery.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, once la serenissima expands - A LITTLE (in comparative tersm) - what's to say it won't be able to afford this ?
mircea_popescu: so then... what exactly does a fab cost ?
mircea_popescu: does it mean they could ? no, it does not. the proposition is of the kind of "apple shares could buy all of russia". no, they COULD NOT.
mircea_popescu: does this then mean that the us generates 10 more fabs each month ? no.
mircea_popescu: so, what's a fab cost ? like 10bn or so, say ? less, but anyway. what's the current print rate ? 10x that A MONTH or so ? at least as far as documented (most monetary expansion happens in the dark anyway, it was recently rechristened as "big bank fraud" temporarily, but it is not nor ever was that - most monetary expansion is regulated by the banks)
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:35:26; asciilifeform: just the 'palace economy' you inherently get, from a chip fab costing what it costs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127075 << let us examine this claim. it is a claim worth examining. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i cope with it solipsistically, which is to say, "until it gets in my way it doesn't exist. once it does, ima burn it"
mircea_popescu: myeah. this is true.
asciilifeform: the idiocy of cpp bitcoind is not an excuse to use 'liberty dollar' etc.
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 18:59:40; mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough.
mircea_popescu: it's very funny this, they would rather want "sovereignity on windows" than "independence from windows".
assbot: Views from Argentina pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. : argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1zQKXOe )
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:28:51; asciilifeform: hence why ru missile controllers are built using ancient soviet arch, yes, but the fab is winblows-controlled and the design turns from circuit to mask also in winblows
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127058 << the funniest thing in this line to me is, argentina, which is way up there in the top of "ra ra ra patria si buitres no, ra ra ra" sovereignity derpage. here's where i laughed at them for using windows, and them HATING ME FOR IT!!11 http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2g00cw/views_from_argentina_pe_trilema_un_blog_de_mircea/ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the pretend-sovereigns are really not that good. that's all.
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:27:12; asciilifeform: they do
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127054 << no they don't. nobody, including the chinese, including putin, has any fucking idea what this even is, because they lack both the intellectual sophistication to comprehend what matters in the world and go seek the signs, and the power to actually have good advisors that do. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: according to themselves, cca 1935, yes, they did.
mircea_popescu: looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915.
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:22:40; asciilifeform: as for the free world, it has -not one chip fab- to its name
davout: ben_vulpes: yeah i guess i should, it just doesn't fail often enough for me to care
ben_vulpes: or is this people trying to imitate the lispy "jack into running proc" thing with tmux/screen/mosh etc
jurov: yea, i use tmux likewise
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I'm not that active in this channel any more since I don't really hold any assets beyond bitcoin itself
mircea_popescu: Azelphur aha. well, it's an activity thing.
ben_vulpes: my tiny brain is blowed
Azelphur: Actually working on electrum atm that said, it hates me because I'm British so I'm having to patch it
mircea_popescu: jurov he takes the "rails" bit literally.
jurov: wow. you're running mpex bot directly on the iron?
davout: jurov: blergh, my bot is apparently stuck, doesn't feel like starting up, i'll need to access the physical machine, which will happen in the next 24h
williamdunne: jurov: The SVG is 900kb, lol
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:10:50; asciilifeform: several years ago, i bought the arm chipset chromebook and tried in vain, for ages, to install gentoo on it
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:09:03; asciilifeform: decimation: i'd consider doing this, but doubt there is any serious demand
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127003 << there is going to be, eventually, yes. from us. in the usual manner. ☝︎
davout: ah, i'll need to check on that
mircea_popescu: jurov i see a trickle ?
mircea_popescu: like a sort of nonviolence proponent that takes it up the pooper.
mircea_popescu: "It’s hard to think of another movie since then that’s been so quotable, so memorable, so widely watched, and has even aged as well as it has." << except star wars, star trek, most of manga...
hanbot: mircea_popescu is that the philosophy you apply to rewriting poems etc?
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:03:44; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126936 << one of the nice things about having the source, regardless of how idiotic the dev process which produced it, is cutting away the crud. which you can do with coreboot, just as with bitcoind etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126996 << you must live in a world very different than mine, where time's not linear or something. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, have a gifoji for the word "fuck". http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c08fc20b88baf11e2554f1a4a94d346/tumblr_myakvhGPdA1s9nnudo1_400.gif
trinque: the idea was you pack the state with enough gun-toting libertarians and things get better-ish
ben_vulpes: i need an emoji for when i want to raise an eyebrow at you mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hanbot something to do with cascadia!
assbot: PorcFest - The 12th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival PorcFest ... ( http://bit.ly/1KykSUr )
trinque: http://porcfest.com/ << says teh googles
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're familiar with the supreme vermin?
ben_vulpes: i think earth rape sciences are great! they're expensive and produce absolutely nothing.
mircea_popescu: it progressed slightly from that, to word redefinitions in the 90s, and so on.
mircea_popescu: even before-r than that, in the 80s, all the left had was "accuse the other of bad things loudly and repeatedly. just that". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if you care about anthropology, it's a great thing to watch, how the beast acquires skills. that was the major breakthrough there.
mircea_popescu: before that it was just linguistic tricks.
danielpbarron: re: vermin supreme, I met the guy -> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bre5M-MIMAEVoHf.jpg
mircea_popescu: you know, where the usg actually gained the ability to make bad graphs
davout: not sure i follow the "rape earth sciences"
mircea_popescu: rather than because those people actually need their money.
mircea_popescu: maybe they imagine that their "rape earth sciences" program worked, and maybe they imagine it worked because it was persuasive,
mircea_popescu: davout everyone that can't be in bitcoin, yes.
mircea_popescu: course, it's how that country is run, it's how the derps "in charge" got into office, it's the only thing they're tooled to do, and so to the man carrying a bad graph and some banal word tricks...
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do they think addressing themselves to a mathematically illiterate crowd is a valid avenue is entirely beyond my comprehension.
mircea_popescu: davout the amount of herd-herding that the usg has been putting into this is so incredibly useful because a) it really can't do anything but! b) it really does expose the tools.
williamdunne: ah, countering the 419 ☟︎
davout: sure, there are going to be problems for you if the transactions keep growing linearly like that, oh wait, it's a log scale, straight lines are actually exponentials
mircea_popescu: that pic among others is the result.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne nigeria was originally a booming oil economy, attracted a lot of people. then it went stale, and for a while throughout the 90s there was a large community of desperate, socially marginal young men, who took to playing internet con games. eventually there was some reaction in the shape of, "con the nigerians".
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm really curious as to what decisions led to that photo
ben_vulpes: "my name is vermin/my name is vermin/vermin supreme supreme supreme/and you can vote/for me (if you want to)"...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either that or http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg
jurov: yea, i was implying the image was so big cuz you have hidden sth there
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 18:44:48; ben_vulpes: at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head"
fluffypony: and they were like "SORRY SIR, THE HOBBY STORE IS DOWN THE ROAD"
mircea_popescu: steganography is hiding messages inside images. and a crush is when a guy wants to put his wee wee in your... well...
williamdunne: I didn't tbh :/
ben_vulpes: i think jurov has a crush
jurov: did you get the steg joke at last?
jurov: yeah williamdunne is lost caouse,like, i have to explain to him i'm trolling him.
ben_vulpes: at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head" ☟︎