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justJanne: I wonder how you guys actually
think your social system will work in reality.
mircea_popescu: this gives you an opportunity
to explain yourself, or
to go nuts i guess.
mircea_popescu: they were
taken out of
the context you intended
them in and placed in
the wider context prevailing here.
justJanne: By people saying
they want no subsidies, but
TTIP
trinque: people review
the logs and respond; get used
to it
justJanne: That were picked out of context and attacked
today.
williamdunne: justJanne: You're joining
the argument, not
the other way around
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: better
to demonstrate
than postulate.
justJanne: If
the others want
to join
the argument,
they have
to also measure
themselves
to your statements.
mircea_popescu: not merely because
to prevail in arguments, but because a mind
that's organised without strong sourcing of propositions is windows in a skullbox.
ben_vulpes: <justJanne> williamdunne Don't want
taxes << so what and whatever
williamdunne: Something I have said does not apply
to others here
justJanne: Several others said
the same before.
ben_vulpes: <justJanne>
trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no
taxes, no government, no controls, no streets. << source or seriously get
the fuck out
justJanne: trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no
taxes, no government, no controls, no streets.
mircea_popescu: <justJanne> Currently
the food production of
the world could support 10 billion people. <<
that's not
the point. sure, food could be produced
to feed 10, 100, one
trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around.
too many as it is.
ben_vulpes: and how would you know how
this place is, justJanne
justJanne: As long as
this place can stay
the way it is.
williamdunne: Because
they enforce it on others, if
they want
to create a commune go for it
trinque: you know, if socialists are happy in socialism, why isn't
that fine?
justJanne: Punishment
through inaction is still punishment.
trinque: justJanne: you use should
to leap across
things you don't want
to have
to
think about.
justJanne: Why should
they be punished for
their parents poorness?
ben_vulpes: <justJanne> mats: DS9-Star
Trek is pretty much real. << aha she
thinks scifi's real
justJanne: So everyone should, after birth, have
the same chances?
justJanne: So, williamdunne, you say people don't deserve
to be punished for
the actions of
their ancestors?
williamdunne: Trinque's statements aren't my own,
this isn't a government
cazalla: justJanne, hope you get raped by a gang of marauding muslims over
there
justJanne: I
think
trinque was
the one saying it?
ben_vulpes: and you deserve
to be raped for supporting socialism
then?
justJanne: In
this case, you deserve
to be
taxed because your parents were
to stupid
to move away
justJanne: And you said people deserve
to be punished for
the actions for
their ancestors.
justJanne: It's your choice
to live in a place with
taxes.
trinque: justJanne:
there is allowing
the state
to control
the definition of money and of ownership.
williamdunne: The fact
that
there is an organization doing it on your behalf makes it no better
cazalla: russians need
to send more reds
to rape german women
tbh, fuck
this shit
ben_vulpes: but
the average of opinions is good, because it includes everyone!1
trinque: justJanne: 435/320mil are going
to rubber stamp
this
thing and make me ok with it?
justJanne: Without voting,
there is 0 freedom
justJanne: Voting makes it 50% freedom, as at least 50% of
the people gets
their choice.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: how long do i have
to wait for assbot
to accept and act on my raitings?
justJanne: But without voting
there is 0 freedom.
justJanne: Without even
the ability
to vote on
this,
TTIP is unconstitutional.
ben_vulpes: i'm looking forward
to
ttip draining medicaid for hilaribad
training proggys
justJanne: Freedom is when you'd get
to vote on it.
trinque: you're
too young
to have ever had anything
williamdunne: Although in
this case I like subsidies, I change my mind
williamdunne: I just like
the idea of suing government, wasn't aware
that you could sue for removed subsidies
justJanne: So no, you can't produce cheese and call it Gouda or Cheddar in
the US anymore.
justJanne: And adds European IP law in
the US, and US IP law in Europe.
justJanne: It also leads
to restrictions for some companies.
justJanne: Because it forces governments
to keep subsidies, or increase
them.
williamdunne admittedly only read about
the "er mer gerd evul cerperatshuns rapin guv"
justJanne: And had
to pay 250 million in damages.
justJanne: They might be corrupt, but
they aren't
that corrupt.
justJanne: The EU commissioners, albeit getting lobbied
to by many companies
to pass
TTIP just leaked all secret
treaties
they are working on.
ben_vulpes: this Janne babe's doing a number on
the chan, smack in
the middle of
the keymageddon.
ben_vulpes: in what world are all of
the politicians in any situation not wholly owned by capital?
justJanne: Or changing
the constitution first.
justJanne: You can't pass a law without either bribing half of
them,
ben_vulpes: not
those who buy
the votes. no never
that.
justJanne: The power is in
the commission and
the parliament
trinque: does germany own
the EU politically now?
justJanne: For
the first
time in
the past 3000 years we have no wars between EU countries.
justJanne: But
the wars inside of EU are history.
trinque: justJanne: does europe now
think it is "beyond" war?
ben_vulpes: show me how
to save my wot from impending doom, and i'll give a shit.
justJanne: And
that's
the issue what's wrong with
this world.