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mircea_popescu: mkay. so
take poker. a very simple description of poker is
that you can either play hooker or bluffer.
to play hooker you need card superiority, and
try
to
trick your opponent into paying.
williamdunne: Only in
the drunken manner, not
the competitive
mircea_popescu: williamdunne someone without money has
the disadvantage of not what
to spend and
the advantage of not having what
to protect.
williamdunne: Don't
think we all should be equal in fairyland but creating additional barriers is about
the equivalent of kicking a man while he is down
mircea_popescu: but anyway,
to round off
the "social marketplace"
thing : if one is
to reclassify slave labour as "voluntaryism", which is undoubtedly erroneous but nevertheless coherent with
the presupositions proposed,
then sure, i am a champion of "the northern model"
williamdunne: Sure, but
they put someone without money at a disadvantage
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone in
the civilised world (us and eu excluded) lives fine without ever
touching
those.
williamdunne: i.e AML bullshit,
trade sanctions/restrictions etc
williamdunne: But do you not
think
that without various shitty laws preventing any African from doing something other
than eating dirt?
mircea_popescu: it's like... we're so far ahead of
the curve, we will PRETEND
to be playing all others' hands,
too. because... w/e.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne one of
the most amusing
things,
to me, is
that
the entire "black domination" subtrend in porn is driven almost entirely by white men.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I largely agree, Africa doesn't have much going for it but I do
think it stands a chance of doing a helluva lot better without various EU/US laws.
mircea_popescu: justJanne don't die over b-a hon. it's eternal, will be here when you're 69,
too.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne "murder". in
the immortal words of butch, "if he were a better boxer he'd still be alive"
williamdunne: mircea_popescu when you're willing
to accept
that
theft is okay, how many more steps is murder? Europe and
the US already murders vast quantities of people in Africa
mircea_popescu: purely economic. as hitler actually pointed out : we don't have enough land
to exploit. either we fight or "the way of life" has
to change.
justJanne: mircea_popescu:
the Nordic model is possible without any valuable resources.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne people generally don't wish
to accept
that nazism was absolutely unavoidable, FOR
THIS REASON
justJanne: So, like you said, we need
to reduce it.
williamdunne: I'm impressed with how quick shes climbing
the stats
mircea_popescu: sure, if you get a shitton of oil when oil's valuable / fish when fish is valuable etc,
the "nordic model" is a great way
to share it.
mircea_popescu: well, you need a system
that works without assumptions.
BingoBoingo: No wonder
the Greeks are
taking over
the EU's jools
mircea_popescu: justJanne so far you've not considered
the part where it is already collapsing on its own, bnecause it doesn't work, because it's strictly based on getting lucky.
justJanne: I have no issue explaining people why removing
the Nordic model would be bad.
justJanne: Not really, I didn't
take it as 3rd or 4th language in school
mircea_popescu: if
those schmucks had any idea about
their important place in keeping adlai happy...
mircea_popescu: where
the old woman doctrine has
the nice counterpart of
the freely provided fun stuff
to do by
the palestinians.
trinque: so yeah
the cell's fine whatever, sun's shining out
there
today
mircea_popescu: amusingly,
the only place where
that model is actually sustainable is... israel.
trinque: so
they're all already smashed into obedience, and were born
there
BingoBoingo: justJanne: Seeing as
the library profession here requires a graduate degree it wouldn't be sustainable here.
mircea_popescu: ESPECIALLY in societies
that "Work well" by old woman standards.
davout: justJanne: you underestimate
the percentage of people
that would do anything
to merely get some social interaction, aka feel lonely
justJanne: BingoBoingo:
then you'd have a hard
time here, 90% of all librarians are volunteers.
trinque: mircea_popescu: could just as well be something
taught
to everyone,
that risk is
terrible and
to be avoided
davout: BingoBoingo: don't you get
to steal a
TP roll a day already?
williamdunne: Interesting, didn't realise ampersand was a gribble
thing
BingoBoingo: <justJanne> davout: and what about volunteer librarians?
They
too? << I am a librarian. Volunteering without compensation is a violation of my professional ethics.
mircea_popescu: justJanne if it's not worth paying for it wasn't
that good in
the first place.
davout: justJanne: just because you don't see what folks get out of a deal doesn't mean
they're not getting anything
mircea_popescu: trinque you
think it's a gender issue ? i dun
think she's old enough yet.
justJanne: True. But it shows
that people have
the will and ability
to do good without pay.
davout: justJanne: i don't know lol, you were
talking about firemen, guess
they're bored or something, but
then again, you don't only see volunteer librarians in societies
that "work well"
mircea_popescu: lots of pedos volunteer
to be
teachers. is scarcely a proof your system works.
trinque: seems like it sounds fantastic
to you
trinque: justJanne: you cannot begin
to imagine
the bore of a planned out life for a male... good fucking god
mircea_popescu: nah, latinos mostly do c style work (figure out
the least you can get away with and do less htan
that).
justJanne: davout: and what about volunteer librarians?
They
too?
BingoBoingo: <justJanne> Bit
that's not
the case. << Why do
the Greeks and Spaniards work longer hours and yet Krautenvacations are longest vacations?
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 23:51:02; justJanne: because
they are volunteers.
ben_vulpes: anyways i got magical
tits runnin around i'm off
williamdunne: On a similar note, I considered dunne.so and
thug.so as alternative
to
thethug.life
ben_vulpes: <justJanne> If you want
total anarchy, go
to somalia,
they live it. << lol u and somalia
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 06:28:51; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as
there's free herring in
the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as
the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were
the most unfortunate wretches
throughout
the intermediate pe
justJanne: Since
then, I'm just defending
the current position.
justJanne: That's how
the whole
thing started.
justJanne: Someone yesterday asked what's so bad about abolishing
the Nordic model.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
There's always
the lover's quarrels with
those
two. Could just be phosphorous is getting expensive...
justJanne: I even read dozens of logs of
the chat before.
mircea_popescu: you've done what a hacker news reader would do, reading
the usg piece instead of my piece and imagining "oh i read about crypto"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes also must give people rope
to hang with, it's a
tandem process. << maybe next cycle i can refrain
justJanne: And it made me even more convinced it is a great system in
theory. Not in reality.
williamdunne: justJanne: Poor would benefit as much as anyone else, well,
the working poor
williamdunne: justJanne: I shared all of your opinions at first,
thought MP was a cock etc. I
then had
the decency
to spend ~9 months reading logs and blogs before speaking
ben_vulpes tries
to imagine
the wealth of nagants bequeathed after a dozen cycles
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> <justJanne> Currently
the food production of
the world could support 10 billion people. <<
that's not
the point. sure, food could be produced
to feed 10, 100, one
trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around.
too many as it is. << Speaking about agriculture. Lots of fallow fields
this year.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also must give people rope
to hang with, it's a
tandem process.
justJanne: Especially
the "let poor people become poorer" and
the "rich become richer" part.
ben_vulpes: this is why we must insist on
the log-reading, regardless of how cute or female.
justJanne: williamdunne: when you'd
try
to implement
this system in reality, as a social system.
justJanne: But we
talked
through your
topic a bunch of
times.