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a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 18:07 mircea_popescu: so then what did you like about apu1 in the first place ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one actually is baked around same contents as ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654659 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: X120e is easy enough to work on, chinese plasic, but pre-2013 AMD dual core thing
mircea_popescu: wasn't going to.
asciilifeform would really like to somehow turn rk into a sane lappy, but presently dun have enuff hands for such thing
asciilifeform: but if yer concern is more 'how many fit on a shelf' -- it's a champ. approx the size of 1.5 vhs tapes.
asciilifeform: ( aside from that, it's more or less same thing as x60, but with slightly smaller and substantially cheaper-feeling kbd )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-06 15:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for that matter, the starvation-cheap machine in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 , 'samsung n150', same chipset as x60 . cost me exactly fiddybux on fleamarkets.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-06#1893257 << incidentally, must add that i do ~not~ recommend this box , unless yer experimenting with the linked display thing; it takes good chunk of hour to get disk in/out of it on acct of braindamaged mechanical design of chassis ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am going to head down to the basement to put two old RK drives in dulap for zeroing and to retrieve the USB to SATA cable for zeroing the rust
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's use ( unless mircea_popescu specifically prefers the usb stick for somereason )
BingoBoingo found a couple 160GB rust spinners going through the luggage, one of them can be repurposed to keep hanbot from having to work off of USB 2.0
asciilifeform: i dun have a magical recipe for 'program to make sense'. approached problem by consciously avoiding all the various 'perlisms' knew of that typically prevent it; then wrote proggy with ~50% comment mass by weight ( but who can guarantee that they suffice ? ) , + the proofs/articles.
mircea_popescu: without all that fundamentally oral commentary... well... where's mel.
asciilifeform: ( and asciilifeform is the last who could answer definitively the q of whether succeeded to 'program to make sense', only the readers can answer it )
mircea_popescu: the ur example being of course "Although optimum is an absolute term, like unique, it became common verbal practice to make it relative: not quite optimum or less optimum or not very optimum. Mel called the maximum time-delay locations the most pessimum."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cant speak for eucrypt, but ffa is at least as much experiment in 'can program be written to make sense?' as it is arithm lib
mircea_popescu: and i'm not even sure it's yet detailed enough (not to mention the part where -- "to make any sense of this you must headload log anyways")
mircea_popescu: yes "object oriented" verbosity is ridoinculous. nevertheless there is A LOT of meta involved that no ida ever sucks out, cuz it's not machine-accessible. which is why both eucrypt and ffa published chapters look like they do.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was already ending by time of doom, but i guarantee you that if i had orig author of said 2mb of asm "source" of dos in the dungeon, i'd be stuck producing A LOT OF accompanying notation through interrogation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dos sores , surprisingly, was moar or less sane item (considering that microshit stole it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ye olde 'doom' , complete with 32bit emm thingie, weighed, what, 2,3mb
mircea_popescu: and so in this sense, dos "source" is a lot like "bolix source" -- would consist of 99.9999% cat scans by mass.
mircea_popescu: but by the time you're trying to wrangle the 32bit processor's 2gb of memory...
mircea_popescu: because fuck, one guy and his wife can make zexcellent-80 games in bedroom over summer, without bothering to DOCUMENT how that much
mircea_popescu: ie, with or without "cathedral & bazaar", "copyleft" etc bs, something very akin to "the effects of open source" would have occured ANYWAY
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they dun even like to mention that typical gnuturd is 80-90% autoconfolade by mass
mircea_popescu: people (the actual people, i mean) only started perceiving the need to ~even write down most of it~ sometime in the 90s.
mircea_popescu: back in the 16 bit days, MOST software existed in a verrrry soft manner indeed.
mircea_popescu: this is a large portion of what the "champions" of "the open source revolution" generally omit to mention :
mircea_popescu: kinda for this reason, back i nthe day "sources" meant a LOT of "brain content" so to speak.
asciilifeform: i have the sores, it's coupla mb of asm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's then nostalgiate for good ol' dos, which sat happily on 360kb flop.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo give me however many fit / you want to spare, she can cuntoo-image them all for you free of charge. << Sounds like a plan. Gathering materials.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm just going through a nostalgia moment here.
mircea_popescu: fucking novell netware. I STILL RECALL THAT CRAP, 47 disks or some shit.
mircea_popescu: i recall the times a slim os was judged by "fits on one 7"."
trinque: whole point was to slim the thing down to minimal set that'll boot and compile w/e else you wanted
asciilifeform: it'll run at usb2 speed ( the contemplated
asciilifeform: so then. BingoBoingo plox to take 1 of these and feed to mircea_popescu . the caveat is that it ~may~ fail prior to 1mo.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo give me however many fit / you want to spare, she can cuntoo-image them all for you free of charge.
mircea_popescu: give me a break, if cuntoo dun fit in there the problem's not with the disk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as the thing fits. how big are they ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am asking asciilifeform how we want to handle this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're certain you won't need fast disk of >1mo of operation, we can feed you one of the still-working retired rk drives
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but i mean, i have to buy a ssd to test out cuntoo ?
mircea_popescu: or in general. i want 2gb films like i want the clap. if god didn't mean films to be 700mb he wouldn't have made cd's that big.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: defo 64 is like tits on a boar for cryptoistic dos box etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's not so much win from 64 on lappies where max ram e.g. 3GB. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Based on last month's colo a month is 0.03542500, individuals SSD's are on our book at 0.04744204 BTC. asciilifeform, as technical director is it reasonable to short term rent an SSD or are SSD's something that need to be sold. My inclination is SSD attaches to customer. Disinclined to reuse these things or pass them between customers.
mircea_popescu went through a phase where deliberately did not buy 64 bit.
mircea_popescu: well what can i tell ya.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was the transition period when intel was tryin' to liquidate last stock of 32b item, tru
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the spec is as described, with t2400, 31 W.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were at least 4 variants. i haven't encountered the 32b one tho.
asciilifeform: ( why this needed -- to rip out the vendor's sad intel nic and put in e.g. atheros )
mircea_popescu: ok, so to be perfectly clear -- thinkpad x60, released by lenovo cca 2006, comes with Intel Core Duo T2400 / 1.83 GHz processor, which is a 32 bit processor.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-11 18:49 asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaalso in order to do this you will need the patched bios.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in re cured bios, see thrd http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601541 . ☝︎
mircea_popescu shall go into the storages.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:41 mircea_popescu: i think i have one right here. from ~period. it's a workhorse, sure, and it paid for itself many times over, but...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824545 << i gotta figure this shit out, because i ~thought~ i had some x60s also. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you do, get the x60 ( asciilifeform , phf, using w/ patched bios & old gentoo )
asciilifeform: still use'em as 'single-purpose box that dun take too much floor' on occasion.
mircea_popescu: evidently, this isn't the first time.
mircea_popescu is waveriong whether he wants to actually buy an x-pad or can't be arsed.
asciilifeform: i dun so much these days ( rarely leave house... lol )
mircea_popescu: i suspect i use laptops a lot less than you do.
asciilifeform: i also ( largely retired'em tho )
mircea_popescu: right. i gotta buncha t's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: x- was when freshly chinesated but the contents not yet changed.
asciilifeform: ( and the last to work w/ linuxbios, if one inclined to experiment with same)
mircea_popescu: the ibm stuff was T-whatever.
mircea_popescu: a wait, yes, x-s are lenovos aren't they.
asciilifeform: it was pretty much the last intel chipset on lappy which linuxed without pile of ??? breakages afaik.
asciilifeform: there were 9000 boxen with that chipset, '09-10
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for that matter, the starvation-cheap machine in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 , 'samsung n150', same chipset as x60 . cost me exactly fiddybux on fleamarkets. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc t40 was the last 32bit pentium stinkpad
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ? << I don't hate the thinkpad x120e, AMD E350 Bobcat chip
asciilifeform: (for which asciilifeform posted patched bios, and on which baked the trimmed gentoo which then trinque matured into cuntoo etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g. the well-known x60
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when hanbot goes to do this exercise, ping BingoBoingo so he can do his duty in the cage cycling mains for the unit if necessary
mircea_popescu: i never bought one yet, principally because i don't know of such a thing.
mircea_popescu: vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ?
mircea_popescu: the point of the entire fucking affair, really.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the point of nailing down cuntoo etc. to avoid the quite unpleasant 'hrm i need a box, lemme visit junkyard and see if they have pieces of old lada'
mircea_popescu: if for no other reason then because i'd really like to slim it out in the coming years.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to also unhook kvm from uy1 ( which is running without issue continuously since i started watching )
mircea_popescu: one day there's gonna be an accounting of all these dead days, "well, master ordered me to so and so, so i went through the piles, picked laptop, then discovered needs gentoo but not clear which gentoo, links dead, so ima pick one, then next day discovered it dun work on machine i selected before knowing the relevant criteria and turns out i dun have one that meets and holy shit".
mircea_popescu: ie, "select a gentoo to install", which took a day's work fwir.
mircea_popescu: convenient, seeing how it then also cuts some intermediate steps, i guess ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an ancient gentoo boot stick baked by ben_vulpes kept on hand for such occasions.
mircea_popescu: what's teh boot stick ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or lemme know if you need help with this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you fill this order, plox to bring up that box with a usb boot stick and give it ip, so hanbot doesn't have to use the quite unpleasant kvm.
BingoBoingo: Will be happy to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a # of 1b ssd in stock. BingoBoingo plox to give mircea_popescu a quote for same.
mircea_popescu has no data re this job, so can't say much.
asciilifeform: i dun recall trinque giving estimate of min disk req'd
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, whatever's needed to encuntoo-ate it. was this ever discussed ?