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mircea_popescu: yeah.
the sorta-fat, cowardly, euglena-scented kid everyone beat
the shit out of in school.
mircea_popescu: shit fucking hurt, "you seriously mean he makes us choose between
this and
that ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: it's like...
that's where
the entire "mp is a
troll"
thing came from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the amusing
tactical implication here is
that well...
they actually would have loved
to say rsa is bad.
mircea_popescu: western animation would languish until someone signed mr spiel
to do 100`000 movies a year.
mircea_popescu: if
there was ever a bad cartoon, hanna & barbera made it.
mircea_popescu: the studio was
taken over by
the jenius creative minds in questions. you probably also know
their names, because
they are intricately connected
to
the absolute worst shit animation ever saw.
mircea_popescu: or even any interest in
the subject of his profession.
mircea_popescu: which he ran exactly like a fish market. opressing
the ever-so-creative creative ppls, and famously lacking any sort of a sense of humour
mircea_popescu: now
this man... he was a sales manager. hired away iirc from walmart, or some such,
to run an animation studio.
mircea_popescu: because fred quimby is
the man
that made cartoons be a meme.
tom and jerry, loony
tunes, all of it.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with
the fascinating case of fred quimby ?
mircea_popescu: however,
that doesn't matter - how cheap it is in absolute
terms. whether you have 100 outfits each owing 1mn or 5 outfits each owing 20mn
mircea_popescu: yes, it is, which is how we got 100
tries rather
than 3.
mircea_popescu: you understand good games are a lot more elitist
than good os right ?
mircea_popescu: there WERE cases which'd have been
the "Competent symbolics
that didn't do unix"
mircea_popescu: however, because > 100
tries, rather
than
the 3-4 you see in os market,
mircea_popescu: this scenario played itself
there numerous
times : people with great ideas sucked at business.
mircea_popescu: im not familiar enough with
the
text & its context
to call it
mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is
the long and
the short of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do i recall correctly
that at some point
they squandered a mn or so on some dumbass real estate deal ?
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 09:47:10; mircea_popescu: 1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world
that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly
that world doesn't exist ; 4. but
the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for
the money he has + 1
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 09:42:27; gabriel_laddel: Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment
that doesn't waste my
time.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 09:40:23; mircea_popescu: so no,
they didn't make money
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 09:39:50; gabriel_laddel: Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money -
their products were not braindamaged.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 10:04:19; gabriel_laddel: story
time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found
trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
mircea_popescu: the historical utility of children for human society is
that
they are more
than happy
to stick random
things in
their mouth.
gabriel_laddel: only discoveries. no inventions. << Okay,
this makes sense - but someone must discover.
gabriel_laddel: my experience suggests
that one must fuck
them for
this
to be
the case.
mircea_popescu: you know womenz can be fiercely loyal in spite of
their better knowledge.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. << I
think she'd actually evict me,
then decry
that
there were homeless programmers.
mircea_popescu: so no, for a capitalist it is eminently impossible for something
to not be and
then come into being.
mircea_popescu: and as
to "if you're a capitalist everything exists" - it's a subtle point, but in order for one
to be a capitalist,
the requisite premise is "that which is is and necesarily is, and
that which is not is not and necessarily is not", ie, parmenides.
chetty: no such
thing as 'most people'
mircea_popescu: moreover, and
this is
the important part, it's a poor premise because only idiots start
their stuff with "most people"
mircea_popescu: now,
the reason
the quote is factually incorrect is pure godel. what you imagine as "simple" is only simple because you're using an unsimple language. otherwise, if you face
the problem directly, it's very complex.
mircea_popescu: the problem with your
theory is exactly
that : it's a
theory. life on earth is emergent pattern in chaos, not sensible arrangement.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu
thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. << I'm almost insulted.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you're a capitalist everything exists <<
this makes no sense
to me.
gabriel_laddel: shit catch up with
them and we end up where we are
today - nothing works and everyone insists
that it does because
they've bought into a lie. As for "is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise",
thank you, will update.
gabriel_laddel: ally burn some of Earth's brighter minds, someone needs
to
think about
the gnarly parser semantics when
the language's syntax is updated - my experience is
that you can't pay people
to care) 3. use lisp. People have already
tried 1 & 2, and
the result is inevitably
that even if
they make money (Mathematica, Microsoft, Oracle...)
the foundations of
gabriel_laddel: s, industrial chemists, architects, research physicists etc would like
to have a plug-and-play solution for going about
their work.
There is money
to be made here. Afaik
the only way
to get
there is: 1. revert
to paper 2.
teach *everyone* what an AST is, choose a language, add AST
traversal mechanisms and write *everything* in it (this will continu
gabriel_laddel: Intellij.
The problem with
these (ALGOL based) businesses is
that
their organizations ossify because of
the sheer number of people
that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming".
This is inescapable if you choose
to use ALGOL. I realize
that
this isn't a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev
gabriel_laddel: e effect of "linux devs are idiots and I'd like a judiciously defaulted gentoo please".
The question is, at what point does
this become something
that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted
time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what
they see as) quality software - sublime
text makes money, as does
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: im not going
to go into how "Most ideas humans would like
to communicate using
the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. << I didn't see
this prior
to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills.
This is actually
the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something
to
th
gabriel_laddel: story
time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found
trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Though I'll note
the "chasing a better world a dollar at a
time" makes a great deal of sense, unless one lives in
the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit.
gabriel_laddel: I'd end up having
to
type for
them, and at
that point, wtf I'll just do it myself
gabriel_laddel: This model is bizzare. So if I'm a capitalist I should make money
to purchase
that which does not exist?
gabriel_laddel: "he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. " << I don't understand how
this follows
mircea_popescu: (which is why "does" not "will" -
the bourgeois has no adherence
to metaphysics.)