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BingoBoingo: mats: Does anyone other
than "Finance" and "Higher Education" really use coldfusion?
mats: this
thing runs as SYSTEM by default, written in java, and
the code was stolen some
time ago
Adlai: wait,
the f500 are
treated by nasdaq as *investors*? ^_^
mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs
the investor relations portals for most of
the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
☟︎ Adlai: trouble is,
there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower
than monflation
☟︎ Adlai: and i don't even have
to spam my qntra pushes across
the entire userbase
Adlai: cursory glance confirms
that monero has permanent disinflation
williamdunne: Constant issuance rather
than a hard ceiling like we have in bitcoin
williamdunne: And
there is a proposal
to automatically reset historical blockchain every x days/months/years
to resolve
transaction size issue
williamdunne: Mining constantly incentivized by permanent sub 1% inflation, and a dynamic block size which allows something like
the median block size of past week +20%
Adlai: you do
too, it's just been preprocessed :)
mats: fun fact: Google has
the full source
to Flash
williamdunne: I
think fluffypony's Monero's way of doing it is pretty interesting
tho
williamdunne: With
the goal being sticking everything in
the blockchain
williamdunne: Gavin-sized is
the 50% increase every fuckknows for so many years starting at 20mb
williamdunne: 7tx/s doesn't seem enough even for small amounts of utility with summin like lightening on
top
Adlai: why would it ever need
to be bigger?
williamdunne: Not quite, I still
think at some point it will need
to be bigger. Just not Gavin-sized
Adlai: iirc, you
thought it needed enlargenizing
Adlai: have you come around on
the blocksize yet?
Adlai slaps williamdunne around a bit with a large
trout
williamdunne: Hello all,
thought I'd help beef up
the logs. Been looking hollow last couple of days!
Apocalyptic: ;;later
tell mircea_popescu maybe i'm misunderstanding something simple but you could give such a factor for 0xffaaccddffaaccdd3c4b7ff83c4b7ff8 , it's a random 128 bit number constructed as
the moduli in question, ( and 0x1000000000000000100000000 does not divide it)
Apocalyptic: myeah but
this is in base 10 and you're using
the fact
that it's divisible by 11 which is 10^1+1 because you mirror only 1 digit-base here, it's exactly analogous
to my " every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors" earlier claim since notice
that 641*6700417 = 2^32 + 1, which corresponds
to a 32-bit mirror window length
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because if you
take 84357349875 and make it 883377448877
then it necessarily will be divisible by 837487
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 14:01:21; asciilifeform: btw
that cazalla
thread would make for great reading alongside of
the 'why not have children'
thread from during c3
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of
the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000 // how so ?
hegemoOn: thanks danielpbarron for
the +v
hegemoOn: and bitcoin electronic
trading
hegemoOn: a "nanex" like study about 4 months
trade on bitstamp
mircea_popescu: the sun's
the marketplace for some nucleons
trading out energy.
mircea_popescu: first off, a market is not a "device". a market is a PLACE. second off, markets exist in unfungible goods - fungibility is not involved.
third off, markets exist ONLY with currency, which IS NOT a good. on it goes.
mircea_popescu: "Of course, we can't understand prediction markets until we understand markets. A market in any
two fungible goods, A and B, is any device for discovering
the A/B ratio P which equalizes D,
the number of people who want
to
trade P units of A for one unit of B, with S,
the number of people who want
to
trade one unit of B for P units of A."
ascii_field: and once you've divided by
the 'long'
turd, what you're left with is small change
mircea_popescu: anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of
the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000
mircea_popescu: well, sure,
there could be all sorts of classes, but
there's no call
to poke at crabs with a window wiper.
ascii_field: now
there could easily be -other- classes of strange
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and you don't see a case where such a modulo would not be detected owing
to
the happenstance
that it shares no factors with other keys ?
ascii_field: though, for rigour's sake, i will add
that n is a multiple-of-64 bits-long, and is nonzero
ascii_field: at any rate, we now have a rigorous definition of
the
type of integer we are concerned with:
ascii_field: we now know merely
that each key has one or more mirrored modulus
ascii_field: which is
to say, it so happens
that all
the mods which had bottom 64 bits be a mirror pair (as per my original mods-only litmus) had full shebang.
mircea_popescu: i suppose
this would be equivalent, if in fact
the moduli were uniformly mangled by
the shifting.
ascii_field: probably should have done
this from
the start
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: replace
the
test in your copy of 'litmus' with
this.
mircea_popescu: if it does, you know all
those factors are in keys. if it ends up equal
to y, y < x... you've excluded some.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but be
this as it may,
the "won't work" part is much more interesting. wjhy wouldn't
the pre-salted keys not work ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "unclaimed funds would be reduced by 25% per month until
there was no balance." << somebody skipped stochastics 101 i
take it.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if
they did,
the result would have
to be a divisor
that's more like 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 etc.
mircea_popescu: the divisors ? yes. problem is, if you look at
the moduli
they don't actually follow
that pattern exactly
throughout
ascii_field: appears
to follow same pattern as all of
them -
take each 64 bits, copy bottom 32 over
top 32
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i just cursorily looked at it and didn't expect on
the strength of what i saw
to actually have DIVISORS
that are 32bitshift-and-add
mircea_popescu: well,
that 2nd line is all messed up. so first 3 identical, plus 1 on
the prev line at end. ok.
ascii_field: actually, folks who specialize in stuffing ballot boxes (or
the higher-tech usian variant of
this, mass-programming meat-puppets for correct-voting) just -love- 'futarchy'
mircea_popescu: jurov in any case,
the dumbass "prediction market"
thing has a core of rabid fandom, sort-of like whatever subcultural obscura
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: no. but i suspect
that one of you already did.
Apocalyptic: i'm just getting started, do you have built such a
thing ?
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: proggy which breaks all of
the magic moduli on ordinary pc in a few sec.
Apocalyptic: I guess it depends on what "whole
thing" you have in mind
ascii_field: and perhaps mircea_popescu also did, but hasn't seen it fit
to confess
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: i assume you've already worked out
the whole
thing
ascii_field: but
the 'magical' moduli still break into integers small enough
to factor
trivially on pc
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, another
trivial
thing
that follows from
the mirroring: every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors
ascii_field: or at least, will fail often (when both factors of a modulus appear an even number of
times)
ben_vulpes: i have
to say
that i'm having
trouble holding
the whole keysmashing party in my head
BingoBoingo: Apparently more
things are genetic.
Today amputations, during
the French revolution
twas decapitations.
ascii_field: glad somebody other
than me noticed. now if only somebody other
than me were willing
to write
the obvious proggy
ascii_field: ;;later
tell mircea_popescu
the binary symmetries
thing
trivially follows from
the mirrored 32-bit words. work it out on paper.
trinque: oh lol,
they actually gave decimals for
the number of nodes
too
trinque: "prediction markets" ... "not a real-money market" ... *predictions down
to
the cent on price/node count*
trinque: jurov: whoever wrote
that sounds like a drooling moron
jurov: "One such market, Intrade, had previously offered futures on events such as
the capture of Osama bin Laden,
the U.S. Presidential Election, and
the bombing of Iran. As of March 10, 2013
though, all
trading had been suspended on Intrade's website due
to undisclosed financial irregularities."
jurov: and what he pulled
the predictions from
trinque: don't believe I performed any operations which would require
that...
trinque: hm #bitcoin-assets (or really freenode) just
told me I'm not an op of #b-a