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asciilifeform: you'd have to throw it out in a year or so.
asciilifeform: not to mention that 32GB is undersized.
asciilifeform: and phone flash is typically dog-slow
asciilifeform: 2-3x the cost of pogo.
asciilifeform: and l0l try running your node over a gsm modem today
jurov: there are n900's with broken gsm module available cheaply, and they have 32GB flash storage
asciilifeform: it is -literally- the cheapest device on the planet which runs bitcoin.
asciilifeform: nothing - and i mean, -nothing- remotely comparable is available for any less than 6x the cost.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the trick with pogo, incidentally, is that its price is a rather artificial thing. my understanding is that they were sold 'at cost' and presently sold at liquidation price.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: seems like "clustefuck to the hard fork" type deal goin on.
jurov: lol my parents were in '87 to moscow/leningrad and naively went shopping to "beriozka" for rubbles ... were told "dolary" and shown the door
thestringpuller: 6 times more than a pogo tho
thestringpuller: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/ << apparenlty this is shipping today? 2 months ahead of schedule...
asciilifeform: !up thestringpuller
asciilifeform: i have a number of 'conventional' nodes where this warning now appears.
asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (the trick was, the scrip was available on the black market, in exchange for ordinary - or as they were called, 'wooden' - ruble.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the comments were gold. folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146238 << thing is about 50/50 'best of ru' and imported things. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146225 << yeah, same. i nearly imploded upon seeing that. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the wares were marketed mainly to diplomatic staff, who were paid in a peculiar kind of scrip rather than ruble (which was Officially non-exportable)
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 10:03:44; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146219 << my understanding is that similar establishments, under ru management, existed in the 'colonies' under a variety of names ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:23:44; mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146171 << see the old 'promises vs mathematics' thread also. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 09:01:53; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146155 << not one of those things is prime, for perfectly valid arithmetical reasons (see Apocalyptic's note about 641 and 6700417. and you can prove it, but i'm leaving it as an exercise for now) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 08:53:47; mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
asciilifeform: jurov: at this point, it would take a good bit to surprise me.
jurov: it's done by the same chumps as these routers
jurov: i wouldn't be surprised at all if baseband has that
asciilifeform: 'Once the router is powered off, it restarts without the worm present.' << lamers
asciilifeform: <jurov> hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too << these have remote login with default creds ?
gribble: You rated user davout on Tue Apr 22 11:42:23 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central; met IRL.
jurov: hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too
mircea_popescu: no "20 years to life for wilfully breaking the law from a position of government".
mircea_popescu: and obviously nobody's going to jail for any of this.
chetty: well I bet some did, coursts issued injunctions but I think the agencies just ignored it
mircea_popescu: chetty and i presume the people in question already received the green cards right ?
cazalla: i thought his amnesty was quite limited to who and time (3 years?)
chetty: O made exec order about giving illegals status and green cards and stuff, Texas sued
mircea_popescu: chetty which one is this again ?
mircea_popescu: if ballas were around the one thing i'd ask him would be to write up this particular story. it's something else, "the failures of roger ver's pretense on the jagged shores of reality - 2010 - 2015"
chetty: appeals court ruled against obama amnesty stuff, sometimes the law kinda works, but I doubt it will stop anything, courts cant enforce and there is history of O thumbing nose at them
cazalla: kids and their pokemon cards
mircea_popescu: which is why we don't believe for a second that this is a bona fide business dispute.
cazalla: but the bitcoinist guy should've known better seeing he already went through this with garza last year when garza was going to buy bitcoinist and mate tokay wanted green card, 200k, lambo, unit and all that other shit
mircea_popescu: cazalla there's at least three parties if not like five with some sort of claim oiver it, all of which cost more to prosecute than the thing would cost to replace.
cazalla: fluffypony, garza "bought" it last year for 1 million.. to pay off in installments over 36 months.. but garza has no money left apparently.. so he leases it to bitcoinist, pockets the money and the real owner of the domain takes it back as garza late/failed to make payments leaving bitcoinist up shit creek
mircea_popescu: for exactly the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: much like the original bitcoin magazine
mircea_popescu: the domain no longer has an owner, it's a toxic asset now
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it means the fountain of shit these people create as a byproduct of their metabolism.
mircea_popescu: so no, okpay isn't gonna pay him "what the contract says". okpay doesn't belong to the space of delusion he belongs to.
fluffypony: GAW owns the domain?
fluffypony: when they say it "lead to the loss of the domain" what do they mean
mircea_popescu: and now he's stuck in a world where others may entertain his pretense (to "professionalism" or to "business-like" or whatever else), but a) only third worlders, and b) only for as far as they find it net positive.
cazalla: but anyway, btc.com and bitcoin.com, 2 diff things just occuring at the same time
cazalla: in his videos his eyes have that glassed over, empty look
mircea_popescu: the guy spent more than it was worth (in bitcoin treading for a pittance) to acquire a "valuable" domain, as if a domain name could ever be valuable.
cazalla: i figured him as autistic tbh
mircea_popescu: paltry attempts to make it stay relevant about as effectual as spitting in the wind.
mircea_popescu: thousands of bitcoin donated to a shitty foundation ? gone, as is the foundation.
mircea_popescu: but then... horror of horrors! everything he touches turns to shit, and now here he is, stuck trying to hold on to the status long after the water's gone out.
mircea_popescu: here's the story of a simple country boy, one could say a cock-eyed optimist who got himself a number of pleabargained felonies after which the sun seemed to shine, and all his long held frustrations as to relevancy for business, intellectual prowess and whatnot seemed to realise! finally! oh, how this moment had been pined for.
mircea_popescu: cazalla poor roger ver really belongs in the gallery of famous tragic characters, with brave, brave, brave sir robert, the tragic clown and his faithful wife nedda etc.
cazalla: fixed the typo in the url
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146101 << would you look at that. my wp auto-redirects to new url if i fuck up a title. you two gotta look into that. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i'm too far gone to be help-able by video.
fluffypony: that's the LTB podcast where I explain a bit about it
fluffypony bearing in mind that it's on a per-input basis
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if you use a 5 and the recipient then sends funds on using a mixin of 1 then there's a risk that the real input can be unmasked, which links it back to the previous transaction
fluffypony: it's just privacy improvements, per this: MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf)
fluffypony: oh - in the protocol we have a block height that is approx. 2 years from now where the minimum mixin kicks up to 4
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you mean how does the sender choose?
fluffypony: but we can prune and retain the txoset and the key image set
mircea_popescu: those bare metal tins FULL of it to the popping...
fluffypony: davout: yes - the sender chooses a mixin, although in ~2 years the minimum mixin goes up to you + 4 others (for each input)
mircea_popescu: dude if the soviets did something right... caviar's been dead since the 90s.
mircea_popescu: o shit, the tins of soviet caviar.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 04:19:15; asciilifeform: http://valaamov-osel.livejournal.com/171595.html << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146083 << dun tell me that fruit is keiser ?! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146069 << apparently to hear cazalla, not so long. sounds like you could get land in montana for a tenth of what they make him pay. ☝︎
davout: i built the daemon five days ago, have it running since then, and it's still 220 days behind apparently
davout: so far my actual experience with monero is that the initial sync is horribly slow
davout: fluffypony: what was that podcast you made in which you explained how monero works?
mircea_popescu: davout the problem of bloat is not something that can be individually addressed. in a sense/under a certain perspective this is like saying that 1800s london was incredibly smoky because of all the heating coal usage, but you could also burn clean coal, which was only slightly more expensive.
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:46:08; decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146043 << that weight being entirely novel, and ulterior to the first iphone. ☝︎
davout: in this case the sig may actually be smaller
davout: you could, again if i understand correctly, decide to only spend a single input and work in a bitcoin-like 'degraded' mode
mircea_popescu: davout see kinda why i'm waiting for him to decide to present it.
davout: fluffypony: this correct? ^
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:45:02; mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146039 << i recall this. one of the pillars of my original "lol apple is not worth money" notions. ☝︎
davout: mircea_popescu: if i understood correctly it's up to the sender, the idea being that you obfuscate where the money's coming from by signing a group of inputs that you may or may not contrel, only one of them being actually spent
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:40:00; decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
davout: monero is pretty neat, the only real problem I see is that it'll bloat even faster than bitcoin given the fact that ring signatures are pretty expensive
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 01:33:20; decimation: where's our 'snowden' from that world?