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decimation: asciilifeform: was it because loading
the contents of
the rom into ram allowed a single address space?
decimation: from
the comments on
that yugoslav interview: "Also,
there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of
trying
to stop
the drain of foreign currency.
The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods
that cost more
than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in
todays money). "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was in rom and copied
to
the ram at startup iirc
mircea_popescu: the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated -
the machine's on isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: but you could also wipe
the 16kb if you never called
the
thing, via DMA of
the
time
mircea_popescu: <decimation> he said
that
the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast
to send - fsk encodings of z80 games << i had games i had downloaded off
the natl
tv station.
decimation: mircea_popescu: you
think folks will make do with shit c++ code for our lifetime?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> which is why i
think
that at a certain point >>
that point is conceivably after our
times.
decimation: Yeah before flash and cheap hard drives/floppy drives your only option was
tape
decimation: I suspect it was something like 300 baud "bell 202"
type modem
decimation: well, if
the SNR was high and
the bitrate was low, it would work well enough
decimation: he said
that
the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast
to send - fsk encodings of z80 games
decimation: asciilifeform: amusingly
the yugoslav guy said
that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume)
decimation: the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of
trading
them for something)
decimation: yes. but until
that point comes, I agree
that
there's alot of cruft in
there -
there's no reason why working memory needs
to be gigabytes
decimation: how
to fit std::map and std::vector in head? bastards designed by committee
decimation: but
these are precisely what you want
to 'fit in head'
decimation: right,
the 'value' of c++ is
that you can 'forget' about
the crap like 'malloc' 'free' etc
decimation: right, so 'fits in head' fails in all languages higher
than assembly, on
the c machine
decimation: asciilifeform: I
think he said he bought with marks
decimation: now,
thinking about what
the assembly from (say bitcoind) would look like - our slavic human assembler would
think
that whoever wrote
the code was afflicted with a case of 'word salad' madness
decimation: apparently in
the yugoslav case it was because it was illegal
to buy a foreign device above a certain dollar value - but you could buy
the parts and assemble yourself
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I
think in
this case it was a z80 clone
decimation: in it, he says
that he feels
that code
that is compiled and assembled from a higher level language (higher
than assembly) isn't 'his'
decimation: yes, point
taken. but what do you call memory
that might be a leak, or might not?
decimation: asciilifeform: your definition of 'memory leak' seems
to be narrower
than common parlance
BingoBoingo: Well, CPU
time used
to be expensive for kleptocrats
too
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 03:35:55; mircea_popescu: by now i heard
the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
decimation: they are 'leaks' in
the sense
that
the memory is in use and isn't free
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i see. no clear call on whether
they were leaked or not yet.
mircea_popescu: by now i heard
the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
☟︎ decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah but
the interesting
thing is
to see how
they were involved in
the early creation of internet protocols
mircea_popescu: somehow i
thought we're still looking at valgrind stuffls.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 01:58:35; decimation:
this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost
mod6: :] i read a doc from
the igprof site
that had me confused on what I was looking at.
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 01:53:57; mod6: lolol
that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?!
mircea_popescu: decimation rather old news at
this point,
the entire "nsa hoped and lost"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "as far as we know"
tm,
there's no effect.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i
think she has a point actually. deed
the pages,
that's proof enough. and as
the derps probably don't know (or don't know
they should know), we might even catch a diddled page. maybe.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> why not just rewrite
the memory allocation engine at
this point, asciilifeform <<
this is
two degrees of magnitude easier, at least.
mircea_popescu: mthreat interesting. so basically
they run
them looser and with a momentum-consuming groove in one spot.