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Landgull: And if
they want independence, why shouldn't
they have it?
decimation: my point is
that
there are plenty of autonomous oblasts inside ru which have similiar 'ethnic and liguistic' claims
Landgull: Decimation: It's not something I know enough about
to make any comment on.
Landgull: Except
the people here have been fighting
to be
their own country since before
the US became an empire.
decimation: Urdu having sprung from
the wisdom of
the british line-drawers
Landgull: I also
think
that Crimea and eastern UA shouldn't probably be part of
the same country as western and central UA.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but what about all
the
turkic and mongoliod autonomous regions
Landgull: But
the Ukrainians are an actual race and culture - yes
they're similar
to
the Poles,
the Hungarians, and
the Russians, but whether or not
they're a biological race or just a cultural and linguistic one,
they've a strong sense of national identity and a strong desire for national self-determination.
BingoBoingo pictures Sean Connery's home in Hunt for
the Red October
Landgull: Ascii: holodomor and resettling of russians during
the USSR definitely effected
the country in a big way, demographically, such
that "historically Ukrainian" lands aren't really Ukrainian anymore.
Landgull: ...except I can look at people and
tell who is Russian and who is Ukrainian. And again: I'm not saying Ukraine is
the mecca
to run
to, I'm saying
that getting out of
the US
to somewhere
that is saner, (and yes, UA is saner
than
the US) is worth
the effort.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: May I suggest lever action rifle as a solution
to your problems. Since pistol caliber casting rounds with coinsilver is surprisingly reasonable
decimation: the idea
that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious
☟︎ decimation: wait, I
thought ukrainian was kind of a rural-hick version of russian (as a language)
Landgull: Most of
the
things you're saying are what I
thought before I actually got on an airplane and came here.
decimation: of course, as moldbug said, actual nazis would ahve been horrified by
these guys
Landgull: As for
the nazi issue: Yes, Bandera and UPA are considered cultural heroes here, and yes
they co-operated with
the germans, because
they
thought it was
their best chance for an independent Ukraine.
decimation: I was under
the impression
that
they wanted
to recreate
the waffen ss
Landgull: Ascii: Most of
the "economic development" in
the world is fed by debt-bubbles.
Landgull: Unlike
the USgov with a nebulous idea of "we want
to spread democracy guyz"
they actually know what
they're fighting for.
Landgull: These people have been fighting for actual independence, from everyone, for over 100 years.
They've fought poles,
they've fought germans,
they've fought russians.
Landgull: If
the
troops have more guns
than
they have generals...
decimation: I was unaware
that generals
took
the opinion of
their
troops into account
Landgull: I've heard
the Phillipines are good. I've never been
there.
Landgull: Yeah, but most of
those soldiers are extremely hostile
to
the UAgov at
this point. It's more likely
to be paid for by
the UAarmy
than
the RUarmy.
Landgull: And I'm not suggesting Lviv as
the destination of
the century - like I said, I'm here
to meet
the girlfriend's family.
BingoBoingo: <Landgull> Plus, as I said,
the USgov owns
the UAgov, but unlike
the US where
the government really effects your life,
the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability
to organize anything. << Kinda why Phillipines is on my exit candidate list. Massively orchish and USG proving proving ground for cultural failures.
Landgull: Well, I'm not
trying
to be here on a permanent visa.
Landgull: Plus, as I said,
the USgov owns
the UAgov, but unlike
the US where
the government really effects your life,
the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability
to organize anything.
☟︎ Landgull: If
they want you,
they'll find you wherever you go. But it
takes a lot more wanting
to deal with finding you somewhere else
than it does
to find you when you're wrapped up with a bow for
them.
BingoBoingo: But I am
terribly resigned
to being low on
the cue
decimation: generally no-knocks are done of folks who give
the cops some reason
to
think
they will be a
threat
Landgull: Ascii:
There is no actual food available in
the US unless you grow it yourself. Seriously. I didn't
think it was
that bad until I ate real food. As for
the flashbangs: people get no-knocked all
the
time. You're
the ones saying
they're going
to send death-squads
to Ukraine after me, but you're not worried about
them doing
the same
to you from in
their backyard?
BingoBoingo: <Landgull> If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food,
then you can have a much better life outside of
the US. << I have yet
to seem flashbangs
tyvm. I just has a single FBI agent and single
treasury agent sweating on my front lawn like
the hambeasts
they were.
Landgull: If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food,
then you can have a much better life outside of
the US.
decimation: or maybe
they will round up
the 'dissidents'
to be shot
to encourage
the masses
Landgull: If you're going
to declare yourself an enemy of
the USgov and be a real
threat
to
them,
they'll find you, sure.
decimation: aye, most of
the 'resources' he complains about are spent feeding prisoners
decimation: how many people in
that village will know about
the foreigner?
Landgull: My girlfriend is from here. Her family likes me. If it were
THAT dire, I'd go run away
to
their village and help
them grow food.
Landgull: Ascii: cash, and meatWOT, and btc are all keys
to avoiding
that.
decimation: ^ which is when it will be useful
to live in a 'culture of violence'
Landgull: Sure. But I'd expect your chances are better in a country where
the government is essentially non-existent
than
they are somewhere
that
they know where you are and can knock on your door.
trinque: Landgull: I'd expect some
tumultuous years before
that's complete
decimation: which is why
they will pinch you as soon as
they can
Landgull: As for
the rest: How many of
them lived in non-anglophone countries?
decimation: and
to monetize bitcoin is
to destroy
the entire usd financial 'system'
Landgull: If bitcoin starts replacing fiat,
the USgov isn't going
to have
the resources
to come after you.
decimation: if bitcoin becomes close
to replacing any major fiat, it will be 'enough money' for everyone
to notice
Landgull: Do you have enough money for
them
to notice you exist?
Landgull: Sure,
they will. What kind of
trouble are you looking
to make?
decimation: Landgull:
the
thing is, if you make
trouble and usg wants you,
the derpy local government will please
their masters
trinque: decimation: note
the hyphen, not a slash
Landgull: That's
the
thing
that's virtually impossible
to understand while you're still in
the US.
Landgull: And
the government is owned by
the US here, but
the government here doesn't have any actual power.
☟︎ trinque: it's going
to have
to be an underground-undersea base
Landgull: Before I came here, I would have said
the same
thing.
Landgull: You don't want
to get out of
the US?
Landgull: I'd mention
that I'm out here doing what you claim
to want
to do.