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mircea_popescu: all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story.
decimation: people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question
mircea_popescu: what are they, sharecroppers ?
asciilifeform: spacex ultimately runs on the apparatus whereby continent full of schmucks is robbed of what little they produce
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ?
decimation: people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him
decimation: for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes'
asciilifeform: decimation: it is about 'i do this and i keep eating; i don't - and don't'
decimation: asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy
mircea_popescu: most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to grasp this, it is necessary to look through the porthole glass on the atomic dirigible, down to the planet below - where most folks are so thoroughly wedded to their meal ticket that they do not really perceive themselves as having a choice of what sort of system to be part of, aside from the abstract choice of eating one's pistol
decimation: or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world'
decimation: maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up
mircea_popescu: as it is tho...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're there because you were born and raised there and door is welded shut ?
mircea_popescu: and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they would have, if they could be sure of 'blink back' when 'blinking eyelashes' up the chain of command
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you there then
mircea_popescu: think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners.
asciilifeform: this is the difference between money and scip
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says.
mircea_popescu: they already donated 2.5k of them or w/e
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ?
asciilifeform: usd is considerably closer to being paid in month-old sausages than to money
trinque: it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with
decimation: usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the quantities are not co-measurable
mircea_popescu: the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is a long list of idiocies not yet surfaced. for instance, a usg stooge will eventually propose 'wallets' keyed to passport chips or the like
mircea_popescu: it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i dun think so.
decimation: asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand
asciilifeform: decimation: if the fools had the elementary common sense to share the bakshish up the chain of command, they'd be walking still
mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something.
pete_dushenski: so i guess the bitbet model makes sense.
decimation: mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides'
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154606 << just one more asset ended up with head on pike, now barking at the outskirts. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
decimation: anyone forced to use usd to eat bread
decimation: yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone
asciilifeform: well yes, but they know that $10k walked in in usd
asciilifeform: decimation: l0l, tell it to that congresscritter
decimation: but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k
asciilifeform: just like the ancient observation that if two walk into a cave, and one walks out, someone probably got clobbered
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, it is still obvious if usd walked in and didn't walk out
asciilifeform: sorta like that fable, where the sheep asks the wolf what his 'crime' was, why he deserves to be eaten, and wolf answers 'your crime was that i am hungry and you are fat'
decimation: ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully
mircea_popescu: decimation that it's the same thing, basially.
asciilifeform: for so long as the robbers even bother to construct arguments, they will necessarily take this form
mircea_popescu: "this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude.
asciilifeform: 'so, mr schmuck, you ran a widget factory, brought in p/yr. ex-mrs schmuck is now entitled to y*(p-r) where r was your rent'
trinque: utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry"
trinque: having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon
asciilifeform: sorta like the silk road sentence
asciilifeform: decimation: the likely next step for usg is probably 'naggum-style' taxation on 'what you probably earned and hid'
trinque: asciilifeform: not a bad point there
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
asciilifeform: decimation: it is interesting to consider the implications of mass 'awakening' to btc as an anti-divorcetheft instrument
trinque: decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry
decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154551 << which board is that ? ☝︎
trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry
decimation: greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket
asciilifeform: which is to say, every idiot who wastes time and money on it imagines that it will work in his case, because celebrity xxxxx
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear. if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: again, they 'work' like patents 'work'
asciilifeform: trinque: even in the absence of children, imagine that, l0l
trinque: the court can rule in "the best interest of the child"
asciilifeform: decimation: the golden quadrifecta is female minority crippled in iraq
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion !
decimation: asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans
asciilifeform: (more accurately, they work in the same manner as patents. which is to say, if you have infinite money and are willing to spend most of it on lawyers, it can be made to 'work' in a way.)
pete_dushenski: or tighter pre-nups
asciilifeform: phun phakt for non-u.s. folks: usg contractors who are registered as 'woman-owned' get preferential contract status. the practical consequence of this is that a great many operators of such firms have them registered in wife's name
decimation: Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas."
trinque: didn't our thing eat all his useful folks?
trinque: I expect to hear that phrase again
trinque: "freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept
decimation: that's a great set of clothes. the deer is a fine horse, etc
decimation: but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism'
asciilifeform: the 'eternal war' thing is summarized by herr orwell
decimation: now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism
asciilifeform: (for those who slept through school)
decimation: asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex
asciilifeform: named for physical effect where fastest molecules phase off into vapour and whole thing has lower energy as per boltzmann
williamdunne is off for the night
decimation: The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid.
mats: fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible'
decimation: In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful.
decimation: but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way
asciilifeform: decimation: the concept described in the linked piece is known as 'shit test' to the pua enthusiasts
decimation: Zhao Gao knew how to play the actors
asciilifeform: (for non-mordor folks, i will add that the entire train, and in fact all the trains i was in that day, had the same ads)