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a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:28 phf: sina: could you explain
the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how wayland prevents it, with some
technical details?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol
that lets clients from different sources connect
to
the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on
the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish
to import x and
then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of
the femstate ilk. i wish
to import x in such a way as
to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was
triggered by discussion of gpg "security" features, other-windows-can-read-keystrokes, how and wherefore idiots ended up stuffing everything in
the
top context and it's not really x's fault and so on.
mircea_popescu: where
the fuck is it god damned it, dood proved succintly he well understands
the permission model sanity required by
the whole stack and
the idiotic breakage later morons introduced and now i can't fucking find it.
mircea_popescu: it would be, which is why i'm
tryna volunteer
this guy. hey phf you about ?
trinque: it'd be appropriate for someone
to see what ebuilds are actually required for a sensible x11, and
to make a vpatch containing
them
mircea_popescu: the one
thing gabriel ladel did manage, get phf ranting about cairo, sgi, x, permission models, where
the fuxck was it
trinque: recall
the "gentoo" repository is still present on
the build,
though at lower priority
than "cuntoo"
mircea_popescu goes
to dig for phf 's original x rant...
that
thing was something else.
trinque: or my lilo setup could be bunk in some context; would love
to know moar
trinque: possible his kernel relies on
the magical module or firmware loading initrds
tend
to perform
mircea_popescu: trinque i didn't suspect cuntoo was necessarily at fault
there, no.
trinque: btw
this means
that e.g. what mod6 is experiencing are more likely
to be "I need
to go understand kernels and lilo better"
than "cuntoo is broken"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was making a 2014 point, see.
that portion of it meanwhile obsolete.
mircea_popescu: "this one crash
that only happens
twice every
third saturday when running postgres on cuntoo in x mode with y switch doing z
task" is still catastrophic, as
these
things go.
mircea_popescu: trinque "it's a
test of musl" in
the sense
that if something breaks it'll likely be
that, not reasonable
to expect
that because you
took out whatever solitaire version gets bundled with gentoobuntu
then
therefore your build crashes.
trinque: (if I did not do
the gruntwork of identifiying and extracting only
the needed ebuilds, genesis would've been nearly 1gb instead of ~4mb)
trinque: the genesis.vpatch is also human-sized, does not contain everything
that was in gentoo portage. it contains only what is necessary
to have a booting system.
trinque: of /cuntoo/portage ,
the ebuild
tree
trinque: yes, snapshot-and-fork of a musl-gentoo, but particularly
that
the snapshotting produces a genesis.vpatch
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
though, as you well pointed out, "gentoo" doesn't mean anything, and adding "vintage" or "traditional" dun fix
this.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, can start
talking of a much better
trb sitting.
mircea_popescu: tbh
this
thing is moving along quite prettily ; once we've had eulora and phuctor run on it for a few months we'll know whether it's stable or not and if not what
to fix.
mircea_popescu: now
THAT is "i run all day", literally, multiply numbers at processor speed 24/7
mircea_popescu: seems like
the "i run it all day" glove could benefit from
the sort of heavy duty brush phuctor can provide.
mircea_popescu: yes but neveremind
the generalities. specifically phuctor, it's from what i understand just python ?
trinque: it'd be a decent intro
to what's linux
trinque: reading
the logs since I departed, seems like it'd be helpful
to do another post (after a bunch of sig verifications) where I do a literate version of
the script
☟︎ mircea_popescu: speaking of which, hey asciilifeform do we have any plans
to move phuctor
to cuntoo ?
mircea_popescu: eg, you run it all day, but apparently not on 32 bit machines ?
that sorta
thing.
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem all
that far off, shinohai got eulora running on it apparently.
mircea_popescu: i mean in
the sense of "well, buncha people checked sigs, signed
themselves, are running it all day"
mircea_popescu: i don't even agree, fwiw. i'm not about
to saddle you with a "now you gotta maintain magic gentoo"
task.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 18:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideally would be 'download
trinque's signed iso and boot from it,
then install cuntoo'
mircea_popescu: login/create new article/insert pics/publish/check pending comments/approve/mark as spam sorta
thing.
mircea_popescu: actually, a completely curl-tomated mp-wp interaction
thingee would be a great addition
to mp-wp itself, imo.
mircea_popescu: prolly need a coupla cookies and
the exact path of wp-admin/blabla
mircea_popescu: well, put something like
httpfox on a browser or w/e you use for
that, BingoBoingo can set you up a
test acct on
their shared environment, and you can capture
the request it makes and use
that in
the future.
mircea_popescu: and you can definitely use
the email route. moreover, if you suck in some gpgtron, you can even have
the
thing exposed, and only publish signed content.
shinohai: Well I often find myself using box with no X server, is
there a way
to say make curl request or something
that would paste into web box?
mircea_popescu: though honestly, if i wanted
to vim-face mp-wp, i'd put a vimterface on ~mysql~ directly, rather
than
the wp wrapper.
mircea_popescu: do you specifically want hooks and all
that ? what am i missing here, you can just write your article in vim and either email it
to
the blog's pop3 acct or else paste it in
the web box i guess.
mircea_popescu: i mean... you can compose it in emacs and email it
to
the blog even
shinohai: Blog is just an awk script
that generates pages since I like composing from vim. (If wp had
this feature would gladly use)
shinohai: Possibly, was experimenting with
this comment based on btc block
times
thing, still haven't got it sorted.
shinohai: I love lampooning, it's
the point of whole blog!
mircea_popescu: you know, you're failing
to keep up!
there's been at least a coupla more items hence!
shinohai: I wish ... would like
to have a barn full of
the AMD boards, not
the most powerful in
the world but run really great, even with own gentoo recipe.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2019-01-17 11:10:22: <requiemzz> im having issues installing
the game on linux its failing after running "make"
mircea_popescu: shinohai you gonna be selling eulora machines nao, like danielpbarron used
to ?
shinohai: Yeah, I haven't a rk yet
to
try,
that may come in few weeks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rather
than a rk, shinohai cuntoo'd and AMD E-300 (AMD 64) laptop
hanbot: well my failed attempt isn't known
to have anything
to do with cuntoo, as i didn't
touch it yet.
mircea_popescu: and it also came
to light it can't yet be seated on 32 bit machines.